That wouldn’t be Brian’s call. That would be a Claudio to Ferran/Txiki call.
Domènec Torrent Appointed NYCFC Head Coach (June '18) / Mutually Agree to Part Ways (November '19)
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That wouldn’t be Brian’s call. That would be a Claudio to Ferran/Txiki call.
I could be wrong. Wouldn’t be the first or last.
But Brian’s role within CFG isn’t related to the on the field product. Or at least it hasn’t been.
Well, Claudio was sitting next to him. And if not Claudio, maybe Brian is eyes/ears for Ferran/Txiki. The picture of them sitting there was absolutely not one of enjoying the new stadium and taking in the experience- they looked wound up tight like a guitar string and not in a typical pre-match fashion.
You may be right. But Claudio sitting next to his boss’ boss while his team leaks like a sieve can’t be fun.
And Brian I’m sure isn’t thrilled that attendance is down significantly again.
Mike from Blue City Radio mentioned that Twellman and Champion were the only press credentialed people who got the chance to talk to Marwood.
I'm not sure if that gives weight either way to Twellman's tweet. It feels ... Conspicuous though.
God, I just hope that whoever replaces Dome has zero connections to CFG. I don't want Pep's friends coming in and out to get their feet wet in coaching. We need someone that values the players and has a style of play that we can stick to and adapt as the game goes on. It used to be that the team was fun to watch, wanted to score goals and break down opponents. What we're watching is some muddled mess week to week with no purpose.
At least Vieira came with a squad full of confidence to do what they do best. Dome seems like he asks players to do something completely new every single week with new faces every match. I can't believe he hasn't settled on a starting lineup through 28 games. 27 different starting lineups in 28 games. The purest sign he is thinking too much about his opponent and not on his own team.
At least Vieira came with a squad full of confidence to do what they do best. Dome seems like he asks players to do something completely new every single week with new faces every match. I can't believe he hasn't settled on a starting lineup through 28 games. 27 different starting lineups in 28 games. The purest sign he is thinking too much about his opponent and not on his own team.
I won't argue with you that he has a tendency to overcomplicate things. There's a sense that he'll always have a "let's put Rocha on the backline" type mental lapse in his locker.
I genuinely thought we were fun to watch on Saturday though:
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I think this is a mistake of over generalizing. Dome's failure doesn't mean anyone from Pep's squad would be a failure. In fact, Dome's main failings - poor communication, over tinkering - seem like exactly the kinds of qualities that have no reason to replicate in another Pep assistant.
When it's time to sign a new coach, go get the best talent you can. Dome was a bust, but I'm not convinced that Arteta [or insert other name here] would be also.
There’s an argument to be made that the reason Dome is here is that he was the least important of Pep’s “guys” i.e. he was expendable
I'll grant you that Arteta is a bit of an outlier here and would likely be successful, plus he has the pedigree of playing at the highest level and may have even turned down Arsenal. But you're right, maybe it is a generalization. But there is something to be said about getting actual current first team head coaches who have a playstyle identity. Dipping into assistants is always going to be a crapshoot, and I don't think the club has time for another gamble.
I'm in the same place on this. I wouldn't say never ever again for a guy with no experience but we've done it twice now with unsatisfactory outcomes. Vieira improved the team considerably, but left midseason after 2 years without winning anything, not even a playoff round or USOC game. And then Torrent has just failed. That's two very different types of disappointment that can easily repeat with this type of hire.
I have a different analysis on this. I think we have two examples of failed coaching hires, but I think they are Dome, who was currently and assistant, and Kreis, who was currently a head coach.
Vieira left early but was, I think, a pretty unquestionable success as a hire until then.
Another comparable was Tata. Accomplished head coach. Definitely achieved. But what if his call to the national job had come mid-season? We really think there's no chance he would have left?
The bottom line is that hiring is a crap shoot. Whether you hire experienced or not, assistant or head coach, foreign or domestic, it's always a crap shoot. You have to evaluate the available options each time. The more you close yourself off to a segment of the candidate pool, the more likely you are to make a bad hire.
Agree 100%.
Vieira was a successful hire. Certainly he could have been more successful, but for all the reasons I've already put forth on this thread. He was a success. He was also growing as a coach.
New coaches are always a crapshoot. Some hires more than others, but you don't really know what you're getting 'til you have it.
With all the CFG money and scouting there should be no shortage of either young or promising coaches who've had good results in not necessarily the biggest league's but promising guys who might look at coaching NYCFC as a step up or a way to be visible. If they don't want to pay millions in salary. Like was said on this page, only hiring within CFG is shortsighted and damn near sabotage.
Has anyone run the numbers to see how City's production from set pieces has or hasn't changed since Domé left?
I spent a couple of minutes trying to figure it out on WhoScored? before giving up.
By that measure, though, why not just throw a dart. The difference between Tata and Vieira on the issue of leaving prematurely is that any young up and comer like Vieira is thinking about his next move as soon as he signs the contract at a mid-tier league like MLS. Not that I think he was distracted for 2 years, but that he took the job in part as a stepping stone. His goal was to leave for a better job. That's perfectly fine and reasonable but it's a negative. Once a coach reaches Tata's stature, well, it's hard to think he saw MLS as a resume builder. So yes, any coach might leave at any time, but some are looking for it more than others. Given the option, I prefer the ones who aren't at that stage of their careers.
Eh. It was a fun 2+ years. He improved the team. But he won nothing, and left in circumstances that made it harder for the club to replace him than it should have been. He did not train a replacement and took all his assistants with him, leaving just ancillary guys like the goalkeeper coach. The resulting hire wiped out everything Viera started. That is an empty legacy. No hardware, no foundation for future success. No, he didn't pick Dome. CFG and the front office are more to blame than he is. But when CFG hired Viera, and did not make him train a replacement and did not convince him to stay through 2018 they laid the groundwork for their own failure. So he was a failed hire. The goal is not to finish second twice, play pretty football, win nothing and then fail to improve.
Put it this way. If you could guarantee all of the following would you sign on? Our next coach gets 1.8 PPG for 2.4 years, but the price is we win no playoff rounds, no USOC games, no conference championships, no SS, never qualify for CCL, and the subsequent coach gets 1.4 PPG until he's fired, and also wins no trophies. Would you make that deal?
PS: That's better than what we just went through for the past 3+ years.
Did I miss like 1009 posts? Where did the hate for PV resides I want to know so I can avoid such idiocy.
Well, what are we judging the hire on? Pep himself is a tinkerer. And he’s not great at it. Nor is he great at winning latitude to be a tinkerer.
All of that is documented.
Soooo... and I’m serious, give us the road map to actually get good.
Because I think you misrepresented about 6 things there. So there’s that. But I like the positivity.
Why are you licking CFG chode just to say in way more words than necessary that they made a shit hire? It’s re-dic
