Agreed. And there were certainly calls for #VieiraOut every now and then. But I think the Dome dissatisfaction has a critical mass that never quite jelled for PV.
Domènec Torrent Appointed NYCFC Head Coach (June '18) / Mutually Agree to Part Ways (November '19)
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#VieiraOut really only came up a bunch when we faced a team that obviously presses and thrives on turnovers (re: RBNJ) and he continually/stubbornly used the same tactic to play 47 passes between our defenders and GK and being down 3-0 after 10 minutes whenever we played them.
Looking back (even though it was incredibly dumb vs. NJ), at least the team knew what he wanted them to do.
Amendment: we've never had a consistently good manager. PV was good, except for the matches in which he got in his own way (see above post about stubbornness vs. RBNJ).
I agree that PV implemented a system which was generally effective, but a good manager doesn't fail miserably in the playoffs, fail to win an open Cup match in 3 years, and frequently get out managed by opponents. I'd love to have kept him instead of Dome, but I was never sold on PV delivering any more than a strong points total with nothing to show for it.
Part of my hope for this season, with Dome, is that PV's 2017 team finished soft as well. So maybe last years Dome collapse was partially attributable to the players, or perhaps over training earlier in the season. We may have seen a collapse with PV anyway.
Now, let's fire Dome today and hire someone who has managed adults, by himself, in recent years. Hell, there has got to be a decent USL coach out there we can give a shot to on an interim basis to finish out the year. This may be our best option at this point, because what highly qualified manager wants to take over this project right now? Let's take a shot at a diamond in the rough lower level manager.
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I would even take a Lamps goal off his nads at this rate.
NYCFC is tied for second worst goals scored in the entire league. Dead last is Atlanta with 2 goals in 4 games. NYCFC has scored four goals in five games.
Yankee Stadium had one 0-0 tie in its first four seasons. It has had two in the last 3 home games.
Atlanta will not remain neutered all season, they have the all-time single-season scorer, and he has the ability to score off broken plays in the box. We’re still working on aiming on goal.
Hot take 2:
We’ve never had a Top 8 manager in the league.
Bradley. Vermes. Arena. Berhalter. Savarese. Porter. Schmetzer. Vanney. Tata. Marsch.
Current standing would argue against Savarese. He had the highest payroll in the NASL, and last year was a rookie outlier. He's coaching the team in last place in the league.
Vieira was great and you were all crazy for wanting him gone.
The twenty guys that play pickup on Sunday Mornings in Cadman Plaza.
Thought I’d repost this from page 51. It definitely needs some rearranging tomorrow:
With apologies to Berhalters and Tatas of the league who are not managing in MLS this year, the 2019 MLS Manager Power Rankings:
#21 Wilmer Cabrera - HOU. His MLS coaching resume is ugly, and that's all he's got besides some USMNT youth teams. He's probably better built to run an academy than coach a pro team.
#20 Veijko Paunovic - CHI. Not much of a coaching resume before MLS. Has had pretty talented Chicago teams handed to him and hasn't done much with them. A big reason for one of the more underachieving teams in MLS.
#19 Anthony Hudson - COL. Youngest coach in MLS. Former New Zealand NT coach. Worked with the Spurs youth team. But hasn't had much managerial success anywhere he's managed. But also hasn't had much talent to work with anywhere he's been.
#18 Brad Freidel - NER. I might be ranking him too high, based on his club's uninspired performance this year. But he's one of my all time favorite USMNT players, so even if he's accent is bullshit I want to give him a chance.
#17 Adrian Heath - MIN. I feel bad for him. He's shown he can manage at Burnley and for Orlando in the USL. I don't think he's been given the right teams to succeed in MLS. Maybe if they let him stick around Minnesota till the new stadium is built and they start spending...
#16 James O'Conner - ORL. Not his fault he was put in charge of the dumpster fire that is Orlando. He was Successful at Louisville and maybe when the stink of Kreis washes away, he may be able to right the ship there.
#15 Ben Olsen - DCU. Longest tenured coach in MLS. A broken clock is right twice a day, right? Even if he's lacked success the better part of the last decade, he did bring his team together in the second half of 2018, including getting the best out of Wayne Rooney, who many thought was over the hill. DCU is one of the favorites in 2019 and Ben's stock may rise with them as well.
#14 Dome Torrent - NYC. He broke NYCFC. He doesn't deserve to be ranked 12 based on 2018's performance. But he does know his football and has assisted Pep throughout his career, so he has to be ranked this high on technical acumen alone. Let's see where it takes him in 2019.
#13 Remi Garde - MTL. Strong coach with experience at Lyon and Aston Villa. Came in late last year and almost got the team to the playoffs. Montreal will spend, let's see what he can do in his second full season
#12 Greg Vanney - TOR. Yes, he's had one of the top budgets in MLS to work with, but up until this year's CCL final loss, his team was widely considered the best in MLS the last 3 seasons. I have him ranked in the middle of the pack, because I'm not sure if he's still a great coach who's team just got tired from too many extra cup matches. Or if he's finally burnt out his flame and the players are no longer responding. This season could have him at the top or the bottom of this list based on how TFC performs.
#11 Brian Schmelzer - SEA. MLS Cup winner, whose teams always seem to get hot at the right time. Long time understudy of the late, great Sigi Schmid. I probably should rank him higher, but it's probably recency bias since he didn't make the MLS Cup final this year.
#10 Jim Curtin - PHI. He did two things very right this season, he focused on the USOC, putting his team into the CCL next year. And he got the best out of his players to make the playoffs and finish only 1 point out of 4th place in the east and a home match.
#9 Mike Petke - RSL. Now that he's not coaching NJ, his antics are much more tolerable. He also rose quickly from RLS's USL team the Monarchs to take control of the big club and take team with a small budget made of mostly kids and make the playoffs, and advance to the second round.
#8 Giovanni Savarese - POR. He showed he could win with the Cosmos, even out-guising one of MLS' greatest cup managers Patrick Vieria in the USOC (sorry I couldn't help myself). He also led Portland to the MLS Cup finals this year, even after trading away both Nagbe and Adi, by experimenting all season and saving his best for the playoffs. He may be #8 now, but I could see him ranked higher in future years.
#7 Chris Armas - NJRB. It seems a bit unfair to list the Supporter's Shield winning manager #6, but he did only manage half the season and there's questions to whether it's him or the system. But you can't argue that NJ played it's best football in the second half of the season.
#6 Bob Bradley - LAFC. Was the best USMNT manager in the last, well forever. Tons of MLS experience, made Egypt's national team a household name and probably didn't get a fair shake in the Premier League. Maybe I should have him ranked higher, but he needs to have some more success with the talented roster he helped build in LAFC's first season.
#5 Frank De Boer - ATL. Former manager of Ajax, Inter Milan & Crystal Palace. No one can question his playing career, nor his success as the manager at Ajax. But after being sacked by both Inter and Palace his career is not currently at its precipice. Still he may be one of the most technically adept managers in MLS and has just been handed the keys to the league's best roster (a position he hasn't been in since Ajax).
#4 Matias Almeyada - SJ. Lots have been made about the coaching resumes of #3 & #5 on my list. But this guy won promotion with River Plate and Banfield in back to back seasons. He then took over Guadalajara winning multiple Copa MX titles and the CCL title this past year. This man has only known success is the only MLS manager with a CCL trophy to his name.
#3 Guillermo Barros Schelotto - LAG. Just coached Boca Juniors to top of the Primera Division the last 2 years and the Copa Liberterdores final this month, where they lost to River Plate in a contested match played in Spain. Has experience playing in MLS and can recruit heavily in South America. He will be handed a talented roster with players like Zlatan and Giovani Dos Santos. I'd have him ranked higher if not for his lack of MLS results, as he hasn't managed his first match in LA yet.
#2 Oscar Pareja -FCD. Has a magic touch for developing young talent and a team that is always in contention. Constantly linked to other managerial gigs in better leagues and and National Teams.
#1 Peter Vermes - SKC. Long history of success without one of the top budgets in MLS, recently led his team to top spot in the West and a CCL berth in 2019 without a true striker.
I'm not convinced that Porter is anything special. Given the choice between PV, I'd certainly take PV.
Shawn Ryu
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Good thing the choice isn't between PV and Porter then.
I would love to have Porter here.
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Near the end of the Montreal behind-the-scenes video the team posted, you can clearly hear a "Fire Dome" chant after the game ended.
