Domènec Torrent Appointed NYCFC Head Coach...NYCFC and Domènec Torrent Mutually Agree to Part Ways

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What Are Your Thoughts on Torrent as NYCFC Head Coach?

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Fantazma

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Coaches routinely quit that often? Not fired but quit when getting paid? I'm not disputing you -- you certainly know way more about Liga MX than I do -- just confirming we 're talking about the same thing. If so, I find that interesting. I presume they leave under similar circumstances, after some success and resume improvement to go to a bigger league?
yes there quite a few cases where they quit. the difference is that the team is getting bad results and the FO has not taken action yet. there are two tournaments in a year so that is why there is more turnover.

While there have been cases where they quit to go manage the mexican NT, most of the time they quit and then they hang around because they know another liga mx team can call them up at the start of a new tournament, or even to try and save someone else's mess. so a its a manager recycling league. its getting better but there are still cases of this.
 
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I wasn't looking for a perfect analogue -- just 2 coaches quitting in consecutive years, so Adam is correct. But Adam's post pushed me to look that incident up and it's even better/worse. After Belichick quit after 1 day, Parcells -- who stayed on as GM -- hired All Groh, who then quit 1 year later. So the Jets had 3 coaches quit in 2 consecutive years, and as usual, the Jets win the organizational clown show sweepstakes!

I forgot Al Groh, not that there was much to remember. Ugh, such a cluster-Fck of an organization.
 
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I was never a fan of Dome, but I have a serious issue with this and how it’s being handled.... WTF is this “by mutual agreement” BS?!? The guy had a contract, he went public with grievances, that right there is a “for cause” reason to terminate him. Have a backbone and say it, otherwise it sets a horrible precedent that now two managers in a row have quit the team, before their contracts expired, essentially dictating the timing with zero repercussions and zero buy-out clauses.

It just doesn’t make any sense how easy they were both allowed to leave, but Mix was warehoused in the doghouse. If similar punishment was being levied, I’d think CFG would have made an example of Dome for going public by keeping him on the payroll while making it clear his career was going to stagnate by having his role in the managerial starting lineup replaced while he’s benched in the backroom.

Again, I have no issue with him being gone, but either fire him or hold him to his contract while making an example with punishment, but the optics of mutually parting ways is really poor when it’s common knowledge he stepped over the line. For a company that professes synergy and continuity and iron-clad rules, they really have an amazing track record of treating everybody differently.
You want to treat people the right way, otherwise no one will want to work for you. If Dome wanted out, it's best to give him as cushioned a fall as possible. Other coaches/players notice that sort of thing.
 

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You want to treat people the right way, otherwise no one will want to work for you. If Dome wanted out, it's best to give him as cushioned a fall as possible. Other coaches/players notice that sort of thing.
I’m a huge proponent of treating employees well. I’m also a huge proponent that corporations don’t pick/choose when to enforce rules. Not trying to make this a Mix debate, but CFG is unwavering with how they treat players who step over the line, but has now let a contracted manager go after being disparaged to the press. If Dome wasnt happy with CFG, quit and then air grievances, but he didn’t. That’s not deserving of a dissolved contract.

Coaches leave teams in college football all the time, either by being fired for cause, or via a buy-out, or retirement. Buy-outs happen all the time in college football and no coach ever is crying that the university isn’t being nice to them if they enforce the terms of the contract - you wanna leave early, pay the buyout either via your new employer or out of your pocket. But if the coach disparages the university publicly, they’re gonna get fired, and that won’t be a black mark on the university that will give future coaches pause - everybody knows you don’t air dirty laundry in public.
 
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I’m a huge proponent of treating employees well. I’m also a huge proponent that corporations don’t pick/choose when to enforce rules. Not trying to make this a Mix debate, but CFG is unwavering with how they treat players who step over the line, but has now let a contracted manager go after being disparaged to the press. If Dome wasnt happy with CFG, quit and then air grievances, but he didn’t. That’s not deserving of a dissolved contract.

Coaches leave teams in college football all the time, either by being fired for cause, or via a buy-out, or retirement. Buy-outs happen all the time in college football and no coach ever is crying that the university isn’t being nice to them if they enforce the terms of the contract - you wanna leave early, pay the buyout either via your new employer or out of your pocket. But if the coach disparages the university publicly, they’re gonna get fired, and that won’t be a black mark on the university that will give future coaches pause - everybody knows you don’t air dirty laundry in public.
Coaches say negative things about their organizations all the time. I distinctly remember John Tortorella taking a shiv to the Rangers early in his tenure. He wasn't fired. The team respected the coach enough to hear him out and make changes.

Dome's main issues weren't with the team, they were with the league. What he said was not a fireable offense. He wanted to leave, and they decided to make it mutual consent, since the team doesn't want a coach who doesn't want to be there anymore. Either you're all-in or all-out.
 
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I’m a huge proponent of treating employees well. I’m also a huge proponent that corporations don’t pick/choose when to enforce rules. Not trying to make this a Mix debate, but CFG is unwavering with how they treat players who step over the line, but has now let a contracted manager go after being disparaged to the press. If Dome wasnt happy with CFG, quit and then air grievances, but he didn’t. That’s not deserving of a dissolved contract.

Coaches leave teams in college football all the time, either by being fired for cause, or via a buy-out, or retirement. Buy-outs happen all the time in college football and no coach ever is crying that the university isn’t being nice to them if they enforce the terms of the contract - you wanna leave early, pay the buyout either via your new employer or out of your pocket. But if the coach disparages the university publicly, they’re gonna get fired, and that won’t be a black mark on the university that will give future coaches pause - everybody knows you don’t air dirty laundry in public.
hey it’s the offseason, perfect time to just sit around and mixdebate till we have a coach or stadium.


 
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FWIW, Reyna also didn't comment in the article after Vieira left. Also, I believe Joy's idea that big names are interested. Someone who travels Europe and has an ear with all of Fox's journos around Europe has certainly heard some things.
 

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Is IPJ usually Chode? That tweet seems like that of a brown nosing toady. Curious who these big names are and how the club plays under a new coach.
I think Dome getting them to top of the east was an overachievement.
Not at all. He’s gone after the club during broadcasts.
The hiring needs to happen prior to the expansion drafts. I’d expect the new coach would want to be involved in any process that involves players potentially leaving. If we don’t have a coach by that time then CFG truly doesn’t give a shit about us and considers this league a joke.
 

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does a big name really matter though, with the exception of tata the latest MLS cup winners have not been big names
I think a big name might not be so quick to leave for a bigger league or club -- most likely in Europe -- as he's presumably already proven himself at that level. Of course I say this with Tata being a perfect counter example to prove me wrong, but besides there always being exceptions, Tata also had accomplished what he came to Atlanta to do --probably much quicker than he dreamed. And Tata didn't go Europe, which is where most rising coaches like PV or Torrent are likely to move up to. Tata really was a special case.
 

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Coaches say negative things about their organizations all the time. I distinctly remember John Tortorella taking a shiv to the Rangers early in his tenure. He wasn't fired. The team respected the coach enough to hear him out and make changes.

Dome's main issues weren't with the team, they were with the league. What he said was not a fireable offense. He wanted to leave, and they decided to make it mutual consent, since the team doesn't want a coach who doesn't want to be there anymore. Either you're all-in or all-out.
I think you’re projecting.

Dome definitely had issues with the team otherwise we never would have learned that Heber was #9 option and he arrived 50(?) days later than Dome was told.

While he may not have been all-in, Dome also wasn’t all-out with wanting to leave - his comments about his future were very amorphous.

As to the Rangers and JT - I don’t take anything MSG does as good business sense. That’s an owner that has a history of destroying their payrolls with salaries to players long-gone.
 
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