Brandt - Another surgery

[NYCFC_Dan]

Very unfortunate for him. Especially since he's a standup guy and clearly liked by team mates for just being a good person alone. The first one from what we know was a botched surgery... Do we blame NYCFC for that? The second I haven't heard any info on. He was back training and may have reinjured or it may have been another poorly performed surgery.. Again do we blame NYCFC for that?
And while you don't want to throw blame around it should be understood that we should have good team affiliated doctors. If this was Villa or any other high profile player we would be losing our shit at the utter incompetency.
I really hope he just did something in training totally unrelated to the surgery. If it's another instance of a bad surgery it's a bad look for the club who should be taking care of its players and providing the highest level of medical care.

 

[Ulrich]

Very unfortunate for him. Especially since he's a standup guy and clearly liked by team mates for just being a good person alone. The first one from what we know was a botched surgery... Do we blame NYCFC for that? The second I haven't heard any info on. He was back training and may have reinjured or it may have been another poorly performed surgery.. Again do we blame NYCFC for that?
And while you don't want to throw blame around it should be understood that we should have good team affiliated doctors. If this was Villa or any other high profile player we would be losing our shit at the utter incompetency.
I really hope he just did something in training totally unrelated to the surgery. If it's another instance of a bad surgery it's a bad look for the club who should be taking care of its players and providing the highest level of medical care.

There's really very little info out on Brandt's situation, but NYCFC has had a horrid track record with their injuries and physio staff. Last year both Calle and Wingert were cleared to play matches and each reinjured themselves 10 minutes into play. That is total and utter incompetence by the former group of medical staff. And when you throw in the Lampard injuries and how last year there were so many out of soft tissue/game injuries the beset the team, it's highly questionable who the team has aligned themselves with and what the protocols are. I know NYP Hospital is a great institution, but that doesn't mean there aren't bad doctors on staff..... it's all very perplexing.

 

[Kjbert]

Just because we have the marketing deal with NYP - does that also meant they are our doctors?

 

[Ulrich]

Just because we have the marketing deal with NYP - does that also meant they are our doctors?

Yeah, that's how it typically works. They are our official healthcare provider and we give them marketing space. I seriously doubt any money is changing hands on the practice jersey logo. NYP would still get to invoice insurance for treatment - they aren't giving that away- but there's likely a dedicated team of specialists that NYCFC sees and probably has zero wait for anything. It's in the hospitals best interest to be aligned with a team as it's instant street cred with an entire base of fans.

I'm spitballing here regarding the details, but it's why a hospital affiliates itself with a sports team and vice Versa.

 

[Kjbert]

Yeah, that's how it typically works. They are our official healthcare provider and we give them marketing space. I seriously doubt any money is changing hands on the practice jersey logo. NYP would still get to invoice insurance for treatment - they aren't giving that away- but there's likely a dedicated team of specialists that NYCFC sees and probably has zero wait for anything. It's in the hospitals best interest to be aligned with a team as it's instant street cred with an entire base of fans.

I'm spitballing here regarding the details, but it's why a hospital affiliates itself with a sports team and vice Versa.

Not entirely sure about that. The Giants have had a similar arrangement but their team doctor is based out of HSS.

 

[Tom in Fairfield CT]

Sports hernias have gained recent attention as a cause of unresponsive groin pain in athletes.4 Groin pain caused by sports hernias can be disabling, and it has ended the careers of some high-level athletes.12 The exact cause of sports hernias is not completely known and remains heavily debated. A popular belief is that repetitive loading of the pubic symphysis during sports activities leads to symphyseal disc degeneration with loss of mechanical stability.5 The decreased stability of the pelvis leads to increased stress across the pelvic musculature and parasymphyseal tendon attachments, such as the rectus and adductors. Muschaweck and Berger described sports hernias as a weakness of the transversalis fascia portion of the posterior wall of the inguinal canal.14 This weakness in the pelvic floor can lead to localized bulging and compression of the genital branch of the genitofemoral nerve.13 Compression of the nerve may be a major source of pain in these patients.

Athletes with sports hernias who fail conservative treatment will often require surgical intervention to relieve their pain and allow them to return to play. Several procedures to treat sports hernias have been described in the literature and include primary pelvic floor repair without mesh,11,14 open anterior mesh repair,6,8 and laparoscopic mesh repair

Its not uncommon to need revision surgery for sports hernias and some athletes never get back on the field. Not a matter of poor managament

 

[Ulrich]

Not entirely sure about that. The Giants have had a similar arrangement but their team doctor is based out of HSS.

Surgery could be the wild card.... I'd want the HSS to do mine if I was in that position needing it, but I bet the rest of the medical needs are via NYP. Even for the Giants - I doubt the Giants go to HSS for their dermatology issues or when a player has the flu and requires IV fluids.

 

[ktdNYCFC]

Is he actually taking up a roster spot that could be filled by someone who will see the field in the next 3 years? Or is he in George John limbo? Was George John actually taking up a roster spot all last year, or didn't we eventually find out he wasn't actually on the roster? I don't have anything against him, and I don't blame NYCFC for what happened to him, but if we are handicapping our roster by playing with one less spot than everyone else, then I blame them for that.

 

[Ulrich]

Is he actually taking up a roster spot that could be filled by someone who will see the field in the next 3 years? Or is he in George John limbo? Was George John actually taking up a roster spot all last year, or didn't we eventually find out he wasn't actually on the roster? I don't have anything against him, and I don't blame NYCFC for what happened to him, but if we are handicapping our roster by playing with one less spot than everyone else, then I blame them for that.

George John was not taking up a space on the roster.

The team cannot cut Brandt while he is injured (nor should they for many reasons, some ethical and some practical). The roster is not being handicapped at all since Brandt's salary is low enough that he is considered a developmental player and doesn't count against the cap. Any replacement wouldn't be seeing the field either (ala Shannon Gomez).

 

[ktdNYCFC]

George John was not taking up a space on the roster.

The team cannot cut Brandt while he is injured (nor should they for many reasons, some ethical and some practical). The roster is not being handicapped at all since Brandt's salary is low enough that he is considered a developmental player and doesn't count against the cap. Any replacement wouldn't be seeing the field either (ala Shannon Gomez).

Yea, but that's all speculative - Gomez was in the 18 atleast once, and if we see enough injuries he'd be on the field. We can't actually utilize Brandt. I just find it strange that John never took up space but Brandt does in a very similar situation.

 

[Kjbert]

Yea, but that's all speculative - Gomez was in the 18 atleast once, and if we see enough injuries he'd be on the field. We can't actually utilize Brandt. I just find it strange that John never took up space but Brandt does in a very similar situation.

John had a very high salary. Brandt does not.

 

[Ulrich]

Yea, but that's all speculative - Gomez was in the 18 atleast once, and if we see enough injuries he'd be on the field. We can't actually utilize Brandt. I just find it strange that John never took up space but Brandt does in a very similar situation.

GJ was never signed to an actual contract with the team - it was pure marketing subterfuge on the club's part.

CB is on contract. He could be placed on the Season Ending Disabled List - or whatever MLS calls it - and we could then add another player, but I'm sure the Team would like to give him every opportunity to heal before the end of the season so he had an opportunity to get even a few minutes logged (as a goal for recovery). If they need another practice player, I'm sure there's no shortage of available area players that can come in for a shot to impress, but short of that, his role and Gomez' are not as high minute players.

 

[Tony L]

Just tough luck for the kid. Hope the best for him, but it doesn't look hopeful.

 

[EganSoccerWords]

GJ was never signed to an actual contract with the team - it was pure marketing subterfuge on the club's part.

CB is on contract. He could be placed on the Season Ending Disabled List - or whatever MLS calls it - and we could then add another player, but I'm sure the Team would like to give him every opportunity to heal before the end of the season so he had an opportunity to get even a few minutes logged (as a goal for recovery). If they need another practice player, I'm sure there's no shortage of available area players that can come in for a shot to impress, but short of that, his role and Gomez' are not as high minute players.

George John was not a marketing ploy. In himdsight not signing him was savy risk management. No one became a STH because we drafted George John.

 

[Ulrich]

George John was not a marketing ploy. In himdsight not signing him was savy risk management. No one became a STH because we drafted George John.

Don't be so quick to say it wasn't a ploy. If there wasn't subterfuge going on, why did NYCFC and Kreis dance around the topic and list him in the injury reports? Being a ploy doesn't have to enlist additional STH, but they weren't truthful for a reason.

 

[Kjbert]

In any other league in America, the CFG PR Department would be an absolute disaster. MLS allows them to hide behind a curtain.

 

[SoupInNYC]

Don't be so quick to say it wasn't a ploy. If there wasn't subterfuge going on, why did NYCFC and Kreis dance around the topic and list him in the injury reports? Being a ploy doesn't have to enlist additional STH, but they weren't truthful for a reason.

I'm pretty sure he was just addressing "marketing ploy". I agree that Kreis and the team danced around it, and there were reasons to do that. Coming off a risky injury, why not take some sort of chance. But I definitely agree it wasn't a marketing move.

 

[EganSoccerWords]

Don't be so quick to say it wasn't a ploy. If there wasn't subterfuge going on, why did NYCFC and Kreis dance around the topic and list him in the injury reports? Being a ploy doesn't have to enlist additional STH, but they weren't truthful for a reason.

A coach being untruthfully about an injury report is not a conspiracy. Its what coaches do.

 

[roxfontaine]

Just tough luck for the kid. Hope the best for him, but it doesn't look hopeful.

This is what I'm thinking. He's just had horrible luck. You do have to question what has been going on with the surgeries though. What is the injury exactly anyway?

 

[NYCFC_Dan]

This is what I'm thinking. He's just had horrible luck. You do have to question what has been going on with the surgeries though. What is the injury exactly anyway?

I always thought it was a groin injury but apparently it's a sports hernia.