IFAB Proposed Rule Changes includes a 60 Minute Clock

[Gotham Gator]

The article is based off of work done with blue sky/ocean development tactics. Write down every single idea, no matter how nuts or terrible it sounds, and you're very likely to come across one or two ideas that you might not have considered previously, but are worth pursuing.

This makes a lot of sense to me. A big brainstorming session where "no idea is bad" - throw them all out there and see if any gain traction. Most are utter crap, so I don't expect much change.

Those who like the stopping 60 minute clock idea must like commercials, because that is where it will lead. It will ruin my favorite thing about the game.

And those who want strict enforcement of the 6 second rule are out of their fucking minds. You do know that the punishment is an indirect free kick - i.e. a likely goal. There is a reason it isn't strictly enforced, in fact that upon enactment the instructions were to not strictly enforce it. Better idea is to do an automatic yellow card after 15 or 20 seconds, with the referee giving a 3 or 5 second warning.

 

[Gotham Gator]

By the way, all this crazy shit to fix things that are supposedly bad about the game, but not a single rule on simulation.

 

[SoupInNYC]

This makes a lot of sense to me. A big brainstorming session where "no idea is bad" - throw them all out there and see if any gain traction. Most are utter crap, so I don't expect much change.

Those who like the stopping 60 minute clock idea must like commercials, because that is where it will lead. It will ruin my favorite thing about the game.

And those who want strict enforcement of the 6 second rule are out of their fucking minds. You do know that the punishment is an indirect free kick - i.e. a likely goal. There is a reason it isn't strictly enforced, in fact that upon enactment the instructions were to not strictly enforce it. Better idea is to do an automatic yellow card after 15 or 20 seconds, with the referee giving a 3 or 5 second warning.

I don't necessarily think that the punishment for violation of the 6 second rule needs to be an indirect free kick. It is possible to give the opposing team a throw-in at a designated spot (its also not completely clear to me when the "six seconds" begins).

I definitely agree that the 60 minute clock would lead to commercials and would in turn ruin the game. I'm also not certain it really "fixes" anything.

However, just out of curiosity, I hope someone practices this by using a stopwatch during games and when it would end exactly (not necessarily that that is how the game would play out, but someone in the media checks it).

 

[Mario]

I don't necessarily think that the punishment for violation of the 6 second rule needs to be an indirect free kick. It is possible to give the opposing team a throw-in at a designated spot (its also not completely clear to me when the "six seconds" begins).

based on how they create the laws of the game, this would never happen.

 

[SoupInNYC]

based on how they create the laws of the game, this would never happen.

Please explain.

 

[Mario]

Please explain.

all calls are at the spot of the infringement. they make this to be consistent with how each game is arbitrated. so if you get fouled 25 yards out, you get a kick 25 yards out. ball goes out in midfield, you take a throw in at midfield. this way there is little to no advantage of positioning or taking away from a possible attack. (unlike basketball ruling)

(excluding goal kicks, corners, penalty kicks, and kickoffs which are marked for specific reasons.)

the law makers would basically have to re-write the whole laws of the game to tailor to adding a specified spot for the 6 second rule and most likely have to add a new marking on every single field.

so to do this for a call that is very loosely called to begin with, i don't see it happening.

(FIFA also claim they want to see more goals.... If that is the case)

lets look at it this way with the law changed to "if a keeper holds the ball for more than 6 seconds a team is awarded a free kick at midfield" , if a keepers team is winning and time is about to expire after 90 minutes, he holds onto the ball for 10 seconds unpressed by an attacker. referee calls the infringement. ball takes 25 seconds to get from the 18 yard box to midfield. time is now over the allotted stoppage. ball is kicked from midfield, referee ends the game.

or

would they rather see the ball taken from the goalkeeper. 10-30 seconds to set up the wall/ spot of the ball. ball is touched and shot. goal/save/rebound. game over


if any of this is unclear let me know, i was all over the place with this explanation.

 

[Joseph Bianco]

 

[SoupInNYC]

(excluding goal kicks, corners, penalty kicks, and kickoffs which are marked for specific reasons.)

Why could there not just be a specific reason here.

And yes, they would have to put a new marking on the field, but it wouldn't require them to "rewrite the laws of the game".

lets look at it this way with the law changed to "if a keeper holds the ball for more than 6 seconds a team is awarded a free kick at midfield" , if a keepers team is winning and time is about to expire after 90 minutes, he holds onto the ball for 10 seconds unpressed by an attacker. referee calls the infringement. ball takes 25 seconds to get from the 18 yard box to midfield. time is now over the allotted stoppage. ball is kicked from midfield, referee ends the game.

But this would be in response to a goalkeeper time-wasting. Any team setting up a wall for a freekick at midfield would be the dumbest team ever and in turn would be time-wasting. I feel quite confident that the ref would give some leniency here. Especially in your scenario, you're talking about launching a kick into the box, which puts one team in the attack (all to say, this is different than my giving the opposing team a throw-in at a designated spot).

Listen, I'm actually not even advocating for this, I'm just saying that there are different options for a keeper violating the 6-second rule than an indirect free kick, and its not all that complicated, just need to think differently.

 

[Joseph Bianco]

the rules are fine as is though. Yeah time wasting is annoying but if the ref feels the GK is time wasting its at his discretion to hand out a card and add the wasted time back onto the clock.

 

[Mario]

Why could there not just be a specific reason here.

And yes, they would have to put a new marking on the field, but it wouldn't require them to "rewrite the laws of the game".


But this would be in response to a goalkeeper time-wasting. Any team setting up a wall for a freekick at midfield would be the dumbest team ever and in turn would be time-wasting. I feel quite confident that the ref would give some leniency here. Especially in your scenario, you're talking about launching a kick into the box, which puts one team in the attack (all to say, this is different than my giving the opposing team a throw-in at a designated spot).

Listen, I'm actually not even advocating for this, I'm just saying that there are different options for a keeper violating the 6-second rule than an indirect free kick, and its not all that complicated, just need to think differently.

- by rewriting the laws i mean make changes to a bunch of different sections in the books.
- the or scenario was based on the current ruling. put the ball down in the box set up the wall and shoot.... this does not require a wall at midfield.
- whether its a free kick at midfield, 35 yards out, or a throw in from anywhere on the sideline, youre taking away from the attacking position where the infringement occurred.
-im aware its just a suggestion to deal with it, im not trying to make you feel stupid or be a dick of any sort if thats the notion youre getting. you wanted an explanation as to why i dont think it'll work and i presented it... if you didnt want me to explain, dont ask next time.

 

[SoupInNYC]

- by rewriting the laws i mean make changes to a bunch of different sections in the books.

I still don't see how it would require making changes to a bunch of different sections in the books, if we are only talking about the 6 second rule for a keeper handling the ball. I won't pretend like I know the rulebook inside and out, but I'm pretty sure that specific scenario could be handled without drastic changes.

- the or scenario was based on the current ruling. put the ball down in the box set up the wall and shoot.... this does not require a wall at midfield.
- whether its a free kick at midfield, 35 yards out, or a throw in from anywhere on the sideline, youre taking away from the attacking position where the infringement occurred.

Yup, I flubbed that, completely misread it.

-im aware its just a suggestion to deal with it, im not trying to make you feel stupid or be a dick of any sort if thats the notion youre getting. you wanted an explanation as to why i dont think it'll work and i presented it... if you didnt want me to explain, dont ask next time.

Not sure why you're jumping to this???

 

[Mario]

I still don't see how it would require making changes to a bunch of different sections in the books, if we are only talking about the 6 second rule for a keeper handling the ball. I won't pretend like I know the rulebook inside and out, but I'm pretty sure that specific scenario could be handled without drastic changes.


Yup, I flubbed that, completely misread it.


Not sure why you're jumping to this???

i probably got excited at the "listen" part, my bad lol, feeling a bit hangry, so i took it the wrong way for sure.

but the rule book, as dumb as it sounds, they'd have to add it to a bunch of different sections. that shits like 200 pages long
-make a section on its own
-add it to the field markings
- add it to a few of other lists and scenarios
- few if/then scenarios and examples
-redo pictures for throw in lines
-not to mention add to the annual referee assessments for each country.

this is all in a nutshell lol


https://www.fifa.com/mm/document/fo.../92/44/laws.of.the.game.2016.2017_neutral.pdf

quick glance at how they do it if you havent seen it

 

[Tom in Fairfield CT]

I've seen arguments for and against rule changes, but none of them have been based on the difficulty in reprinting the rule book. Bravo on the unique take.

 

[Midas Mulligan]

all calls are at the spot of the infringement.

Funny, I didn't even notice Villa taking his penalty 14 yards out and wide of the left post. Will have to check the highlights again.

 

[Joseph Bianco]

Funny, I didn't even notice Villa taking his penalty 14 yards out and wide of the left post. Will have to check the highlights again.

(excluding goal kicks, corners, penalty kicks, and kickoffs which are marked for specific reasons.)

 

[NickA]

The appeal of the rolling clock is that it's not like American sports. I like the NFL game but the stops make it almost unbearable at times. I could see tv and team time outs coming into play. Forget it. I'll take it as is. Give me 15 minutes of nonsense instead of clock stoppages.

The other stuff is whatever...but I hate the ref mobbing. It should be captains only. Any other player should receive a yellow. VAR would eliminate most bullshit calls (you hope), so the crying will be moot. The two will go hand in hand.

 

[Mario]

I've seen arguments for and against rule changes, but none of them have been based on the difficulty in reprinting the rule book. Bravo on the unique take.

They don't wanna redo that shit

 

[Midas Mulligan]

Why could there not just be a specific reason here.

And yes, they would have to put a new marking on the field, but it wouldn't require them to "rewrite the laws of the game".

Exactly.

You can't cite something as an elemental and non-violable principle upon which the entirety of the laws of the game rest and then cite, well, pretty much every dead ball situation that isn't a throw in or a free kick.

 

[Midas Mulligan]

The appeal of the rolling clock is that it's not like American sports. I like the NFL game but the stops make it almost unbearable at times. I could see tv and team time outs coming into play. Forget it. I'll take it as is. Give me 15 minutes of nonsense instead of clock stoppages.

This is actually my biggest fear. I can't bear the thought of how long a game would last when Huddersfield takes on Palace.

VAR would eliminate most bullshit calls (you hope), so the crying will be moot. The two will go hand in hand.

Not so sure about this one.

 

[mgarbowski]

I love the argument that openly keeping track of time will maybe lead to unbearable time stoppages which means we can't even consider that, but, the actual time wasting of VAR taking 2 minutes to review a goal is super cool.