Mix Vs Aj

Who wins the spot

  • Mix

    Votes: 44 93.6%
  • Andrew Jacobson

    Votes: 3 6.4%

  • Total voters
    47
I guess I have noticed he has the ability to break up plays a few times on the USMNT, but it' hard for me to see him as a full time 6. We'll see what shakes out.

I can understand that. I too think he's best as an 8 because of his well rounded skillset. He can do whatever you ask of him, for the most part.
 
Between Mix and AJ it should be AJ, though I'm not sure it's that simple of a choice, depending on formation and new players.

Mix is not a DM. He's not positionally aware enough to sit in that spot. AJ isn't perfect but he has a better sense of where to be.

Mix is best as a runner in a 3 man central midfield.
 
He's not positionally aware enough to sit in that spot. AJ isn't perfect but he has a better sense of where to be.

Based on what? Mix for a year played on the wing where he's asked to be a runner and AJ for a year as a dm was caught out of position up field at least once every game. From this the conclusion is Mix isn't positionally disciplined to play the 6? Mix says wants to play the 6, plays well as a 6 for the USMNT and did fine as a 6 the one game he play for NYCFC when AJ was suspended I think he absolutely deserves a shot.
 
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Between Mix and AJ it should be AJ, though I'm not sure it's that simple of a choice, depending on formation and new players.

Mix is not a DM. He's not positionally aware enough to sit in that spot. AJ isn't perfect but he has a better sense of where to be.

Mix is best as a runner in a 3 man central midfield.
Paging Midas Mulligan so he can respond about AJ having a sense of where to be.
TRIGGERED!
 
Between Mix and AJ it should be AJ, though I'm not sure it's that simple of a choice, depending on formation and new players.

Mix is not a DM. He's not positionally aware enough to sit in that spot. AJ isn't perfect but he has a better sense of where to be.

Mix is best as a runner in a 3 man central midfield.
That may be best for Mix, but I don't think that role can exist in a 4-3-3 with Pirlo unless we are going to try to win every match 5-3.
 
That may be best for Mix, but I don't think that role can exist in a 4-3-3 with Pirlo unless we are going to try to win every match 5-3.

I'm fine with 5-3 wins, they're hella exciting. Though I don't think Saunders would be able to handle the stress.
 
Based on what? Mix for a year played on the wing where he's asked to be a runner and AJ for a year as a dm was caught out of position up field at least once every game. From this the conclusion is Mix isn't positionally disciplined to play the 6? Mix says wants to play the 6, plays well as a 6 for the USMNT and did fine as a 6 the one game he play for NYCFC when AJ was suspended I think he absolutely deserves a shot.
Based on the times Mix played the 6 for us (vs. Seattle) and for the usmnt. He is a very reactive defender, constantly chasing. Watch that Seattle game again, he is always on the back foot, not anticipating the play at all.
 
Based on the times Mix played the 6 for us (vs. Seattle) and for the usmnt. He is a very reactive defender, constantly chasing. Watch that Seattle game again, he is always on the back foot, not anticipating the play at all.
At least he's back there. Jacobson just runs to the offensive third and gets in the way or stalls out play or both.

Jacobson is not a good DM. He's not particularly good at anything, so far as I can tell. I don't recall him breaking up anything. He was so out of position virtually all of the time, we don't even know for sure what his position was.
 
Not with Pirlo alone...I prefer Poku to make runs and you can't leave Pirlo alone back there. I'd be more than happy to put Mix/Pirlo/Poku together though.
Gonna be Lampard-Pirlo-Poku unless Poku starts playing at CF or RW.
 
At least he's back there. Jacobson just runs to the offensive third and gets in the way or stalls out play or both.

Jacobson is not a good DM. He's not particularly good at anything, so far as I can tell. I don't recall him breaking up anything. He was so out of position virtually all of the time, we don't even know for sure what his position was.
I agree with you on this for the most part, but there were a few matches where Jacobson seemed to actually play with some discipline and hold. That begs the question of why he couldn't do that the other 30+ matches.
 
This all depends on whether they look to adapt the midfield to suit Pirlo or not.
 
This all depends on whether they look to adapt the midfield to suit Pirlo or not.
Feels like you have to, to me at least. If you don't try to maximize the value of his passing range by letting him wander into space to receive the ball and start the offense, then he is just a slow midfielder who doesn't play defense.
 
Feels like you have to, to me at least. If you don't try to maximize the value of his passing range by letting him wander into space to receive the ball and start the offense, then he is just a slow midfielder who doesn't play defense.

Which is exactly what happened. He couldn't wander cause he was the only one back there, while Jacobson is running around taking long shots sailing 10 yards above the post. Everyone saw the same thing...but I 100% believe that Jason had left him alone back there to look bad so he can prove he was right about not wanting to sign him. Jason's thought process was that Ned was more class than Pirlo. Vieira is the complete opposite and Pirlo will be used correctly...we will all see the real Pirlo this season.
 
Which is exactly what happened. He couldn't wander cause he was the only one back there, while Jacobson is running around taking long shots sailing 10 yards above the post. Everyone saw the same thing...but I 100% believe that Jason had left him alone back there to look bad so he can prove he was right about not wanting to sign him. Jason's thought process was that Ned was more class than Pirlo. Vieira is the complete opposite and Pirlo will be used correctly...we will all see the real Pirlo this season.
I agree on the tactics. I've been banging that drum that the most important choice isn't whether it is Mix, AJ or someone else who plays there, but, rather, that whoever plays there, needs to sit deep. I would make the personnel choice based on who is willing to commit to that role. My second episode of View From 226 on YT goes into this looking at a few of the games last year when AJ actually played like a holder.

Can't decide if I am cynical enough to buy the Kreis conspiracy :)
 
At least he's back there. Jacobson just runs to the offensive third and gets in the way or stalls out play or both.

Jacobson is not a good DM. He's not particularly good at anything, so far as I can tell. I don't recall him breaking up anything. He was so out of position virtually all of the time, we don't even know for sure what his position was.
I can find multiple games where Jacobson had significant numbers of interceptions, but ultimately we are debating one less than perfect option to another.
 
I can find multiple games where Jacobson had significant numbers of interceptions, but ultimately we are debating one less than perfect option to another.

Nobody said he sucked. He just played out of position, but how much of that was him or was it Jason's method of letting players run wild and hope for the best tactic.

In the Puerto Rico game, even though PV wasn't coaching...was it his call to put him as a CB?
 
I can find multiple games where Jacobson had significant numbers of interceptions, but ultimately we are debating one less than perfect option to another.
Please show me them. Seriously. I don't think they happened at Yankee Stadium. If he had an iterception, it was a mistake or a mis-kick.

To your second point, they all are. But that's no excuse to ignore the superior player in favor of donkey turds.
 
Please show me them. Seriously. I don't think they happened at Yankee Stadium. If he had an iterception, it was a mistake or a mis-kick.

To your second point, they all are. But that's no excuse to ignore the superior player in favor of donkey turds.
If you want to go on stats Mix had Very similar stats To......Ned Grabavoy.

While I think stats do not tell the full tale, and I don't truly think Ned was/is more talented than Mix, it is tough to call Mix a clear "superior player" to many others last year.

As for Jacobson: he averaged 1.9 int per game

8/13 vs DC - 2
7/26 vs Orl - 3
9/16 vs Tor - 2
9/19 vs SJ - 2
4/19 vs Por -3

These are just a few home games that I bothered to look up. I know he had a road game with at least 4.

Mix averaged 1.1 int per game and in his one game as DM he had 1 int versus Seattle.

Also, I find it telling that Mix was never thought of as a DM by any manager or analyst. It just seems like more square peg, round hole and that suits nobody.

Alas, I think AJ is more a box to box player but I also think between him and Mix at DM he is the better choice. However as some have pointed out this question probably is not best answered between 2 players, it is really a formation, style of play issue.
 
Nobody said he sucked. He just played out of position, but how much of that was him or was it Jason's method of letting players run wild and hope for the best tactic.

In the Puerto Rico game, even though PV wasn't coaching...was it his call to put him as a CB?
Good point, if they wanted to try AJ out at CB it suggests someone thinks highly of his defensive abilities. I also tend to agree this question is much bigger than 1 or 2 players.
 
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