Mix Vs Aj

[Midas Mulligan]

If you want to go on stats Mix had Very similar stats To......Ned Grabavoy.

While I think stats do not tell the full tale, and I don't truly think Ned was/is more talented than Mix, it is tough to call Mix a clear "superior player" to many others last year.

As for Jacobson: he averaged 1.9 int per game

8/13 vs DC - 2
7/26 vs Orl - 3
9/16 vs Tor - 2
9/19 vs SJ - 2
4/19 vs Por -3

These are just a few home games that I bothered to look up. I know he had a road game with at least 4.

Mix averaged 1.1 int per game and in his one game as DM he had 1 int versus Seattle.

Also, I find it telling that Mix was never thought of as a DM by any manager or analyst. It just seems like more square peg, round hole and that suits nobody.

Alas, I think AJ is more a box to box player but I also think between him and Mix at DM he is the better choice. However as some have pointed out this question probably is not best answered between 2 players, it is really a formation, style of play issue.

First, breaking up play isnt the same as an interception. What DM doesn't have a yellow card accumulation suspension for professional fouls to break up counters? AJ was never in position to even do that. Think about it, he was so far out of position he couldn't give a late challenge. Meanwhile, Mix was chasing back from whatever wing he was stupidly stuck at, and still had more of a defensive impact than Jacobson. I don't need stats. I have my own eyes.

If you think Mix isn't clearly superior as a player, then we probably shouldn't discuss this anymore. One guy has many solid to very good national team performances, including goals and clutch, critical contributions to key goals. The other struggled to see time at Staebek. The former got the shaft, the latter was played in his preferred position and still did squat. That's all I need to know.

How is this a discussion? Anyway, for me, it won't be anymore. No need. The world sees Mix as clearly superior. But bang the drum for the journeyman. Dissent is fine. But I think you're misguided here.

 

[Mario]

jacobson is the worst soccer plaer i've ever seen in my life. the fact that Mix, an actual soccer player is compared to this sack of shit is beyond insulting to everyone on this forum. jacobson fans have constantly been giving excuses for when he sucks, which is every single god damn game. "hes out of position, hes usually a CM but playing DM.... hes usually a DM playing CM." fuck you. fuck jacobson. fuck this poll. jacobson should be cut. and no, im not an anti semite. i hate how he finds playing time on our struggling team which he offers less than nothing.

i'd rather see josh saunders, who cant kick a long ball play center mid and find more production.

This poll should have been between "who is worse. Kwame watson Siriboe or Jacobson.

 

[thesauerchise]

"it is tough to call Mix a clear "superior player" to many others last year."

I never stated that AJ is the better overall player, hence how I phrased my sentences. I used very specific words for a reason.

You asked for examples of AJ having multi - int games, I provided them. I think INT is a better indicator of a DM impact than tackles because tackles can be very reactive, not proactively getting into space, but that is just me. Either way I gave stats and I'm sorry that you didn't like how I answered your request.

Also AJ did have multiple yellows and was on the verge of an accumulation suspension until he went card free and got past the league mandated "clear" game. But I'm not sure why you brought up yellow cards, I never did.

Yes Mix is a superior talent, and that talent is not at DM. Even if it was, which no one who coaches or analyzes professional thinks, he did not show that talent LAST YEAR. So unless you can find footage from his time in Norway I can only truly judge one season in MLS and his sporadic usmnt appearances, where he also plays multiple positions.

Mix needs to play to his talent level this year, whatever role that is.

 

[thesauerchise]

jacobson is the worst soccer plaer i've ever seen in my life. the fact that Mix, an actual soccer player is compared to this sack of shit is beyond insulting to everyone on this forum. jacobson fans have constantly been giving excuses for when he sucks, which is every single god damn game. "hes out of position, hes usually a CM but playing DM.... hes usually a DM playing CM." fuck you. fuck jacobson. fuck this poll. jacobson should be cut. and no, im not an anti semite. i hate how he finds playing time on our struggling team which he offers less than nothing.

i'd rather see josh saunders, who cant kick a long ball play center mid and find more production.

This poll should have been between "who is worse. Kwame watson Siriboe or Jacobson.

Not sure why you had to throw in the "I'm not an anti-Semite" comment. Is that something you are called a lot when talking about Jacobson?

 

[Mario]

Not sure why you had to throw in the "I'm not an anti-Semite" comment. Is that something you are called a lot when talking about Jacobson?

yes, its basically a disclaimer because in other posts i've been called an anti semite for literally no reason.... i have a strong hate for jacobson, solely for his soccer. nothing else, im sure hes a nice guy

 

[NYCFutbol1]

Mix is so overrated its just ridiculous. I'm bot sure howbthey could unload his contract but Id do it in a heart beat. For that money you can do soo much better.

 

[thesauerchise]

yes, its basically a disclaimer because in other posts i've been called an anti semite for literally no reason.... i have a strong hate for jacobson, solely for his soccer. nothing else, im sure hes a nice guy

Fair enough.

 

[FootyLovin]

Mix is so overrated its just ridiculous. I'm bot sure howbthey could unload his contract but Id do it in a heart beat. For that money you can do soo much better.

I'm a big Mix fan. Was incredibly excited about his signing. If he plays this year, under PV, at the same level he did last year, I'd agree. We had many under performers last year (players performing below the high standards we would have expected). Mix, Iraola, Lampard, Pirlo. Yet each also showed moments of brilliance. Moments where I said if only we could see that for a whole year.

I think casting judgement on these players right now is a poor choice. There were so many issues - with JK, position, PT, etc. But Mix is unquestionably a player in need of a big year. To justify his salary, his USMNT place, his future, frankly his love of the game.

I for one, still believe and am hopeful for him.

As for AJ, I don't think he is the player who should anchor our team for the future. I'm tired of watching temporary players we plan to get rid of or bench players starting. That's AJ to me.

No question. AJ or Mix? Mix, in a heartbeat, all day, every day, and twice on game day.

 

[Schwallacus]

I'm leaning towards Mix too, just due to his age and physical abilities. I feel that with Vieira as his coach, he can learn from him and how to play the position and get a sense for it, much better than what JK did for him by leaving him out on the wing.

I may be optimistic in this, but I could see Mix being in a slightly similar spot that Louis van Gaal did with Schweinsteiger his first year at Bayern- move him from an attacking/outside middie into a defensive middie.

I don't hate AJ as much as some of you on this post but for the future and the sake of having someone who can run back around Pirlo, Mix's speed and greater potential make for a more enticing option at DM than having Jacobson there for the next year. Also, having Jacobson off the bench to protect the lead and be an extra defender for the last ten minutes of the game works for me.

 

[Midas Mulligan]

jacobson is the worst soccer plaer i've ever seen in my life. the fact that Mix, an actual soccer player is compared to this sack of shit is beyond insulting to everyone on this forum. jacobson fans have constantly been giving excuses for when he sucks, which is every single god damn game. "hes out of position, hes usually a CM but playing DM.... hes usually a DM playing CM." fuck you. fuck jacobson. fuck this poll. jacobson should be cut. and no, im not an anti semite. i hate how he finds playing time on our struggling team which he offers less than nothing.

i'd rather see josh saunders, who cant kick a long ball play center mid and find more production.

This poll should have been between "who is worse. Kwame watson Siriboe or Jacobson.

I like the subtlety. Well done.

 

[Mario]

I like the subtlety. Well done.

i dont fuck around when it comes to jacobson. i want him out. he was as much as problem because kreis insisted on playing him game in and game out when he had no business as a ball boy.

 

[Konrad]

i dont fuck around when it comes to jacobson. i want him out. he was as much as problem because kreis insisted on playing him game in and game out when he had no business as a ball boy.

I agree with you, but when we're an expansion franchise we get the other team's bottom-of-the-barrel players. We unfortunately didn't have the luxury of having good players in all positions, thus AJ playing that many minutes. We did a good job of cutting the fat this off season, and Kries did a terrible job of managing mix, but if Mix gets injured or he doesn't work out at DM, AJ is unfortunately our only backup. The reason I put this thread up is because I'm still not entirely sure how good Mix can be. Hopefully there will be a day soon where we get the news that we cut AJ and Wingert, with Hernandez being a back up CB, but for now they are American players who fill spots that we are thin in.

 

[Seth]

I agree with you, but when we're an expansion franchise we get the other team's bottom-of-the-barrel players. We unfortunately didn't have the luxury of having good players in all positions, thus AJ playing that many minutes. We did a good job of cutting the fat this off season, and Kries did a terrible job of managing mix, but if Mix gets injured or he doesn't work out at DM, AJ is unfortunately our only backup. The reason I put this thread up is because I'm still not entirely sure how good Mix can be. Hopefully there will be a day soon where we get the news that we cut AJ and Wingert, with Hernandez being a back up CB, but for now they are American players who fill spots that we are thin in.

I agree with all of this. And we probably all need to remember that this is still only our second year. These are still players we don't know that much about yet and we still don't know who will do well and who will not be back next year. Basically, it could take a few years for our team to get up to speed, and for our academy to start producing home-grown players, etc.

For this year I'd be happy just to make it into the playoffs. More than that would be a cool bonus, and once you're in who knows as anything could happen.

 

[Mario]

I agree with you, but when we're an expansion franchise we get the other team's bottom-of-the-barrel players. We unfortunately didn't have the luxury of having good players in all positions, thus AJ playing that many minutes. We did a good job of cutting the fat this off season, and Kries did a terrible job of managing mix, but if Mix gets injured or he doesn't work out at DM, AJ is unfortunately our only backup. The reason I put this thread up is because I'm still not entirely sure how good Mix can be. Hopefully there will be a day soon where we get the news that we cut AJ and Wingert, with Hernandez being a back up CB, but for now they are American players who fill spots that we are thin in.

exactly like you said, we get bottom of the barrel our first year. im ok with that. going into the season i honestly didnt expect as much as some did. we cant go straight to the mls cup our first year. if anyone set that as an expectation theyre crazy, thats my opinion at least, if anyone thinks otherwise, im not gonna form an opinion for you i can only preach mine. but i digress.
jacobson limits our midfield, tremendously. that doesnt mean as a center back which we saw agains Puerto Rico, he cant play every now and then. he might have even made a better CB than some others that had played back there.but the fact of the matter is he played way too much in our center of the field, where we needed someone who could be of use. you cant attack with 3 people. you cant attack in 5. but you can use 6 or 7 people. which would need to include the defensive mid. which is one of, if not the most important positions in todays game. jacobson doesnt cut it in any way. anything goint through him during our attack was a waste of time and possession because he either lost it 1v1 or gave away a pass directly to the opposition or kicked it out of bounds, or even go negative when we NEEDED to switch our point of attack or keep the pressure on.
i hate to compare jacobson to any good player like pirlo, lampard, even mix. but mix as a faux DMF is better than jacobson. jacobson defensively, is ok, hence why i said as a CB he might have made it into my lineup, but he didnt play there so i cant vouch for him. but anyway, mix as a dmf as lost as he may be, will still make better decisions offensively. our defense as shitty as it was, wasnt our problem. we couldnt score goals when necessary. and it all starts from the DMF.