MLS - May 17 - Red Bulls (CF)
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After so many derbies of watching NYCFC control play but get outplayed in terms of intensity and physicality, it was the complete opposite today.
How many games have we seen in the past where NYCFC tries to play and RBNJ makes it a demolition derby? Today was the opposite - it was downright weird to see RBNJ control possession (but without purpose) and not uber press NYCFC - in fact both NYCFC goals came from turnovers at the back.
Bizarro world - Pascal has learned fast it seems. RBNJ lacked intensity and NYCFC brought it. Jansen is setting us up to win a lot of 1-0 games.
How many games have we seen in the past where NYCFC tries to play and RBNJ makes it a demolition derby? Today was the opposite - it was downright weird to see RBNJ control possession (but without purpose) and not uber press NYCFC - in fact both NYCFC goals came from turnovers at the back.
Bizarro world - Pascal has learned fast it seems. RBNJ lacked intensity and NYCFC brought it. Jansen is setting us up to win a lot of 1-0 games.
Absolutely. Great atmosphere.
It was fairly quiet until the first goal. The second goal loosened people up, but there wasn't much shit talking. A few Fuck the Red Bulls cheers went up (a couple started by children, haha), but it didn't get rowdy where I was. Someone started the Mexican wave at the end, ignorant of our history with the Wave.
Nice to see us flip the switch on them. We have success when we force them to have the ball.
This is what I've been looking for. Show me we mean business. Show me we're here to fight. Show me we're big boys and not a bunch of amateurs who get thrown around like rag dolls.
One of my favorite moments tonight was Alonso running side-by-side with Nealis and getting a shot off (nice save by Coronel). He had his arm out and had a piece of Nealis, and Nealis had a piece of him, but rather than go down and try and draw the cheap pen, Alonso fought his way through to the shot.
More of that, please. Show me we're here to fight.
And don't look now, but we're sitting sixth in the East. We can be good. Really good. All we need is one really good window.
Get on the stick, David.
Vieira used to piss me off with how rigid he was tactically against NJ. We would get killed over and over by their press. It's nice to have both Cushing and now Janssen modify the way we approach these derbies.
I thought we neutralized Forsberg and Chupo-Moting. The guys followed the plan and positioned themselves well.
I thought we neutralized Forsberg and Chupo-Moting. The guys followed the plan and positioned themselves well.
Who gets your vote for the most fired-up guy? (I got mine.)
1. Malachi 2. Pascal 3. Gray 4. Hannes 5. David Lee
That used to drive me crazy too. I do appreciate Cushing and now Jansen changing our usual tactics to adjust to NJ. At the same time though, I think NJ during Cushing and now Jansen's time are a completely different animal than what they were during Vieira's time. I'd be curious how cushing and jansen would handle a more traditional NJRB team.
Great photo!
I know you mean Pascal. And I agree he is awesomely fired up, but I’ll also give props to Freese and Martins in the back.
really like what Pascal is doing with the four of the back thought. It was really interesting that on the first goal it was Hawk who forced the turnover all the way up the field. The idea of playing Risa as the left back, but then allowing Haak as the left centerback to go forward on offense while Risa tucks in as the left center back I just love the way that’s playing out
Exactly. On offense, it turns into the old W-M.
I do indeed. He's in full-on roar. And he was seriously fired up on the touchline at times.
We're through the adjustment and assessment phase and into something new. Cincinnati gave us a glimpse, but then we crapped out in Pittsburgh and really crapped out against Montréal. It was bad. My guess is those two performances convinced Pascal to drop the hammer and channel a little of the old Vince Lombardi philosophy: "You will be fired with enthusiasm, or you will be fired with enthusiasm."
Re Maxi’s goal:
A. Martinez sometimes plays an interesting passive aggressive forward press - where instead of getting in someone’s face or cutting off a single pass option, he just sits in an in-between space and dares you not to make a mistake.
B. One reason this works is he is generally faster than anyone else at reacting to a loose ball.
A. Martinez sometimes plays an interesting passive aggressive forward press - where instead of getting in someone’s face or cutting off a single pass option, he just sits in an in-between space and dares you not to make a mistake.
B. One reason this works is he is generally faster than anyone else at reacting to a loose ball.
WRT Vieira, the HRD and tactical inflexibility, I think I remember once he had the team not play from the back and we kicked long over their heads. We won and then never seemed to try it again. Not sure if it was 2016 or 2017.
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As seems annoyingly ususal I had to be out of town yesterday and just watched. Echoing everyone else the 90-minute intensity was impressive.
A couple of things…
Both Trapito and Fernandez had solid matches. Hoping this is the turning point.
Wolf has been wretched as finisher be he has been excellent as a defender lately.
Haak deserves a healthier shout-out on the first goal. He made it happen by disrupting a breakout and then springing Alonso. The commentators gave him zero credit. He made that goal.
Speaking of the commentating, I think Sam does a very good job of transcending his RB bias, but the other guy kept calling the Red Bull’s New York and it was driving me batshit. Amateur hour. National commentators in the NFL and MLB and the NHL use team names to differentiate them in a local rivalry game. Joe Buck doesn’t call the Yankees “New York” and the Mets the Mets. Yankees and Mets, Rangers and Islanders, Giants and Jets. City or NYCFC versus Red Bulls. It’s not that hard.
Doubly annoying because RBNJ does t actually play in, y’know, New York.
Great match. One again Pascal did a great job with tactics and subs.
And it’s time for us to give this defense a little credit.
A couple of things…
Both Trapito and Fernandez had solid matches. Hoping this is the turning point.
Wolf has been wretched as finisher be he has been excellent as a defender lately.
Haak deserves a healthier shout-out on the first goal. He made it happen by disrupting a breakout and then springing Alonso. The commentators gave him zero credit. He made that goal.
Speaking of the commentating, I think Sam does a very good job of transcending his RB bias, but the other guy kept calling the Red Bull’s New York and it was driving me batshit. Amateur hour. National commentators in the NFL and MLB and the NHL use team names to differentiate them in a local rivalry game. Joe Buck doesn’t call the Yankees “New York” and the Mets the Mets. Yankees and Mets, Rangers and Islanders, Giants and Jets. City or NYCFC versus Red Bulls. It’s not that hard.
Doubly annoying because RBNJ does t actually play in, y’know, New York.
Great match. One again Pascal did a great job with tactics and subs.
And it’s time for us to give this defense a little credit.
