NASL has lost D2 sanction.
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Wow, pretty defeatist. Looks like they're already prepping for a winding down.
i was reading on twitter that they had two weeks to re submit but i guess they feel there is no point? there are so many questions now.
apparently the people in charge of CPL say edmonton is very likely to go to CPL and leave NASL....thats the end really....i think their owner was a last believer in whatever NASL was trying to do.
North Carolina FC and indy eleven apparently are keeping options open in terms of joining USL
will USL take miami and cosmos? or will they go to NISA ( which is what i assume will happen)
My predictions:
FC Edmonton (CPL): CPL, almost certainly. Unless there's a competing ownership group there and for some reason the CPL doesn't take them, in which case folding is a small possibility.
Indy Eleven (USL), North Carolina FC (USL): Most likely USL. Both want good relationships with MLS and would gain some big rivalries.
The rest are tougher.
Jacksonville Armada (NISA): Could see them go either USL or NISA. I think I read their new owner is a bit more ideological, so I'll predict NISA.
Miami FC (NISA): I don't see Silva taking Miami FC to the USL nor folding, so I'll predict they will start a local derby with Miami United in the NISA.
New York Cosmos (NISA): The Cosmos in the USL would feel weird. I think they'll survive but go NISA.
San Francisco Deltas (fold): There were a lot of cracks in this organization before they played their first game, and they only got worse. I could see this group pulling the plug on the effort. Both NISA and USL are a possibility if they make another go at it though.
Puerto Rico FC (fold): They're almost certainly going to move to NISA or fold, as the USL won't take them and the USSF won't force them to. For their fans, I hope they survive. For the sake of the future success of the NISA, I hope they fold.
California United (NISA), San Diego (USL): These are pretty much a toss up, but I definitely think they'll both find a place to play next year. San Diego's group is made up of European players that preferred the pro/rel vision and decentralized model of the NASL, but their local investor seems to have his head on real straight, and will probably convince them the USL is a better option. From what I know about California United, they are a little more of a classic "NASL" applicant and may prefer the NISA.
dont think USSF can technically force them to take Puerto Rico since they also have their own federation in PR.
this whole Carribbean league should be something to be thought of in near time future.
Yeah, that's what I meant. The USSF can apply some pressure on the USL to accept US-based teams, but Puerto Rico is on their own (Edmonton too).
With the very defeatist attitude we're seeing from NASL my conspiracy theory is that this sanctioning decision was something of a coup de etat on the part of a number of NASL owners who wanted the security of the USL ownership system.
We know that the only reason NASL stayed afloat this year was because of high exit fees for the team that dropped NASL below 8 total teams. Thus if the NASL doesn't try to sue or otherwise stay together the theory goes is that there are enough owners to prevent any actions from being taken that would otherwise impede their move. Or it could be that the NASL has finally made a good executive decision for the first time in its existence and decided to not throw good money after bad. But I like the conspiracy theory more.
And because I can't resist.
Cosmos 2 - 0 NASL.
We know that the only reason NASL stayed afloat this year was because of high exit fees for the team that dropped NASL below 8 total teams. Thus if the NASL doesn't try to sue or otherwise stay together the theory goes is that there are enough owners to prevent any actions from being taken that would otherwise impede their move. Or it could be that the NASL has finally made a good executive decision for the first time in its existence and decided to not throw good money after bad. But I like the conspiracy theory more.
And because I can't resist.
Cosmos 2 - 0 NASL.
i dont know.....i mean Silva and rocco ( the two biggest owners i think in NASL) are still very "anti MLS" i dont see them being part of the USL unless they really have no other choice. Allegedly cosmos owner was going to buy on condition it remained Div 2.
if it goes to NISA ( Div 3) then he may pull out and leave.
the whole going to court can be iffy.....usually FIFA doesnt like their federations in legal battles if it goes to that that USSF is taken to court then it open can of worms and may get suspended then this whole WC 2026 can be in trouble....i dont think it gets to that but you never know with these NASL owners.
NASL files antitrust lawsuit against US Soccer over loss of D2 status.
NASL hits U.S. Soccer with antitrust lawsuit after Division II status revoked http://www.espnfc.com/north-america...t-lawsuit-after-division-ii-status-is-revoked
NASL hits U.S. Soccer with antitrust lawsuit after Division II status revoked http://www.espnfc.com/north-america...t-lawsuit-after-division-ii-status-is-revoked
i get back from denver and this is what i see ....lol
this can get iffy if FIFA wants to be a dick.....they can say the Government is getting involved with US soccer and suspend the federation, and they have done this with other nations.
I'm pretty sure the US government can do whatever the F they want with soccer and FIFA won't say a word. FIFA loves money, the US provides money like no other. They could come up with some meaningless slap in the wrist to save some face, but nothing substantial will happen.
you never know...there may still be people who are butt hurt based on the FBI FIFAGATE scandal.
either this or say WC bid mysteriosly loses to another bidder
If rumors are correct, they would basically have to pay FOX stupid lots of money. When the 2018/2022 tv deal was signed, apparently it was promised that the US would get one of them. They did not, so to make good FIFA essentially gave FOX the rights to 2026, which should be in the US. Rumors though
WC ratings can still do well even if its not USA. ....FOX got rights "for free" there is no need to pay them back for anything. plus if there is no written contract about this its all rumors.
EDIT: i just mention this because the conspiracy theorist in my thinks NASL does this with hope of US SOCCER suspension to "force" the issue of pro.rel....kind of a last gasp for them
I don't see how this can potentially help NASL... Even if they "win", what would happen... Soccer United Marketing gets broken up? But how does that help NASL survive?
https://www.scribd.com/document/359361983/Anti-Trust
Good fun for a rainy night. This lawsuit is written with all the rage of a spurned teenager
"The NASL’s attendance had, at that point, also grown rapidly since its inception— from 3,810 to 5,909 per regular-season game in 2015. NASL clubs had also had competitive success on the pitch in competitions against MLS clubs, winning 42% of their matches against MLS clubs during Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup competitions. And many NASL players had competed for national squads in the FIFA World Cup and its qualifiers. On the strength of this rapid growth and success, the NASL submitted a formal application for Division I status on May 31, 2015. In its application, the NASL pointed out that it met any and all Professional League Standards for Division I status, other than a few that were clearly anticompetitive and in violation of the antitrust laws—such as the time zone and stadium capacity requirements—which had no conceivable procompetitive rationale and only served as a barrier to competition against MLS. The NASL thus asked for a waiver of these anticompetitive restrictions. At this point, the anticompetitive conspiracy to maintain the MLS monopoly came fully into play, as the USSF made sure to apply its Professional League Standards in a manner that would protect MLS from any competition and damage the NASL’s ability to compete."
Good fun for a rainy night. This lawsuit is written with all the rage of a spurned teenager
"The NASL’s attendance had, at that point, also grown rapidly since its inception— from 3,810 to 5,909 per regular-season game in 2015. NASL clubs had also had competitive success on the pitch in competitions against MLS clubs, winning 42% of their matches against MLS clubs during Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup competitions. And many NASL players had competed for national squads in the FIFA World Cup and its qualifiers. On the strength of this rapid growth and success, the NASL submitted a formal application for Division I status on May 31, 2015. In its application, the NASL pointed out that it met any and all Professional League Standards for Division I status, other than a few that were clearly anticompetitive and in violation of the antitrust laws—such as the time zone and stadium capacity requirements—which had no conceivable procompetitive rationale and only served as a barrier to competition against MLS. The NASL thus asked for a waiver of these anticompetitive restrictions. At this point, the anticompetitive conspiracy to maintain the MLS monopoly came fully into play, as the USSF made sure to apply its Professional League Standards in a manner that would protect MLS from any competition and damage the NASL’s ability to compete."
The long story short of this thing is a laundry list of insinuations that USSF has consistently moved the goalposts for the requirements on divisional sanction to prevent NASL from being a first division, and is now discriminating against NASL by refusing to waive some of the D2 standards for them while issuing 20 waivers for D2 standards to USL. Specifically they requested waivers for having only 8 teams and not one team in the central time zone, with the argument that they have letters of intent to add more teams, and many successful professional leagues worldwide only compete in 1 or 2 time zones (seriously). They don't get into specifics on what was waived for the USL.
sometimes with all those tweets of pro rel keyboard warriors i feel it is only teens wanting pro/rel
lol i mean not every country across the world has four times zones ...this cannot be a serious complaint.
i do agree USL has been given waivers...mostly due to the MLS 2 sides and there is back and forth on owners wanting them to go to USLD3 .....this will be an interesting offseason with the lower leagues in us soccer. some teams will die and it will be sad...others will move etc.
In the background here remains Miami FC's petition to the Court Of Arbitration For Sport to require FIFA to require US Soccer to institute pro/rel.
While I have romantic interest in pro/rel being incorporated into the US system I find it amazing that NASL owners believe that instituting pro/rel will somehow make soccer fans want to come see their shitty teams play.
I will say that the bit of the lawsuit which casts the stink eye at US Soccer for contracting with SUM could have some (heh) merit.
While I have romantic interest in pro/rel being incorporated into the US system I find it amazing that NASL owners believe that instituting pro/rel will somehow make soccer fans want to come see their shitty teams play.
I will say that the bit of the lawsuit which casts the stink eye at US Soccer for contracting with SUM could have some (heh) merit.
