Stadium Discussion
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Eh, Fire's stadium is actually pretty nice. Their problem is location. That USL team with the right marketing will draw more fans than the Fire because that USL stadium is in a primetime location for a Chicago sports stadium. The Fire being in Bridgeview alienates about half the city. It'd be like if NYC built their stadium in Hempstead.
Although he probably got in on this for the Real Estate benefits, Tom Ricketts did a great job with the Cubs, so he might actually be a good owner.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sport...pansion-tom-ricketts-fire-20180510-story.html
Article didn’t even get into the non-compete. I have this feeling if Ricketts’ team draws well like cincy, MLS offers to buy out non-compete and then can accept Ricketts’ expansion fee for CHI2.
Using this as a launching pad to fantasy land, it would be pretty incredible for MLS to go to 30 teams, split into three conferences matching USL, and if USL keep growing and start wielding some real power, actually adopt pro/rel.
EAST (Ontario, Quebec, Northeast USA, Southeast USA)
Toronto, Montreal, New York City, New Jersey, Philadelphia, DC United, Nashville, Atlanta, Orlando, Miami
New England, Boston, Hartford, Charlotte, Tampa, Memphis, etc.
CENTRAL (Great Lakes, Midwest, Texas)
Detroit, Cincinnati, Minnesota, Chicago Fire, Chicago USL, Kansas City, Dallas, Houston, Austin, St. Louis?
Pittsburgh, Milwaukee, Columbus, Louisville, OKC, San Antonio, etc.
WEST (British Columbia, Mountain and Pacific Timezones)
Vancouver, Seattle, Portland, San Jose, Sacramento, LA Galaxy, Los Angeles FC, Salt Lake City, Colorado, Phoenix
Oakland, Boise, Reno, Las Vegas, San Diego, etc.
I know I'm in fantasy land, just fun to think about.
You’re referring to pro/reg within the geographic area, meaning 1 team each from West/central/east goes up/down so as to keep a balanced set?
That’s the most logical way to ensure the USL doesn’t get crushed with travel issues, but it still leaves the white elephant of MLS expansion fees not being “compensated” which is prohibitive for those owners to take the risk.
The solution is to screw over USL and create MLS2. Charge teams a fee to join MLS2 (much smaller than MLS expansion fee) and use that money to create a compensation pool for relegated teams for the first X number of years.
BOOM!
Solved.
I just wanna see the NASL fans head's explode.
Christian Araos, writing for The Athletic, got a look at the Harlem Yards proposal and it had a timeline of 4.5 years from approval to completion!
It emerged recently that New York City FC is seeking to build a $700 million stadium in the South Bronx as the developer-friendly YIMBY blog obtained a year-old proposal for a site at a rail yard along the Harlem River that the state seeks to develop. NYCFC and its partners acknowledged the proposal but backtracked, stating that it was one of many sites being considered. Still under review, their proposal reflects their ambitions not only as a football club but as a cultural institution.
NYCFC is now in their fourth season at Yankee Stadium, the “temporary location” Manchester City CEO Ferran Soriano suggested the club would need to play at for “two years, maybe three” when they were officially announced in May 2013.
Through a Freedom of Information Law request,The Athletic was able to obtain both NYCFC’s and another developer’s proposal to build on the Harlem River Yards in the Mott Haven section of The Bronx. If approved, City would partner with Related Companies and Somerset Partners to build a stadium plus housing and medical, commercial and entertainment space. The stadium would seat 26,000 but has the potential to be expanded “if appropriate.” A financial summary in the proposal explains that the group would pay $500,000 a year for 99 years for the air rights above the rail yardand contribute $25 million for the construction of an esplanade and $100 million in infrastructure improvements. Exact financial details were not included.
According to the proposal, it would take about four and a half years from approval until the stadium would be completed. At least 550 units of affordable housing, built by Somerset and Related Companies, would come first. They are currently building the largest private housing development in the city at the Hudson River Yards, which is also being built above an active rail yard. The Chairman of Related Companies, Stephen Ross, is the principal owner of the Miami Dolphins and Hard Rock Stadium in Miami Gardens, Fla. He is also the founder of RSE, a private investment firm which operates the International Champions Cup, a club competition that Manchester City’s men’s and women’s teams will participate in this summer. The Athletic understands that this proposal was kept under heavy secrecy within Related Companies.
Speaking to reporters last week, club president Jon Patricof downplayed the club’s bid, noting that the Harlem River Yards project was not an “active site.” Both proposals reviewed are dated from 2017. The Empire State Development Corporation said it is still accepting responses to its original request for expressions of interest, a sign that it is not yet ready to reward either proposal.
The other proposal was submitted by developers L&M Development and Omni New York. The project, a $2.2 billion mixed use complex called Alexander Landing, would include about 170 more units of housing than what NYCFC, Related and Somerset propose. It says it would create 1,611 full-time jobs, as their proposal also includes building a charter school, healthcare facility and beer garden. It projects a 10-year span between submission and the final completion of construction.
The NYCFC proposal does not state the number of jobs their mixed-use project would create. It instead focuses on both the community and humanitarian impact their stadium would have. They vow to hire a local workforce and exclusively use union workers in the construction, build a permanent home for its City In the Community charity, a university tailored to producing scholars majoring in and around the business of soccer, an urgent care clinic and a multi-use square for local retailers and food trucks. The actual impact this would have on the South Bronx is difficult to project, but the intended impact would be to establish the club and by important extension its owners as patrons and philanthropists to one of the most historically disadvantaged communities in the city.
The rail yards site is about a mile from the playground where the club announced its New York City Soccer Initiative — a partnership with the Mayor’s Office, Adidas and the US Soccer Foundation to build 50 pitches across all five boroughs. And a half-mile away from the mini pitch it built at a public school. The club also has a partnership with the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office sponsoring weekend-night soccer programs for youth. Executives point to these community efforts whenever their ambition is questioned and while it may read as a deflection, it does show where the club devotes much of its resources.
The club’s owners, City Football Group, say in the proposal that their principles toward building infrastructure include: positive soccer development, local employment, environmentally friendly practices and engaging with the community to meet its needs. Just how much a 26,000-seat stadium intended for use beyond soccer meets the South Bronx community’s needs remains to be seen. CFG said 60 percent of the jobs at their complex in Manchester went to locals and although The Bronx is recovering well, it could use some more jobs. Property values in Mott Haven and other parts of the borough are rising rather quickly as well. Somerset are key figures in the neighborhood as developers of a six-tower residential project that’s being built directly west of the proposed stadium. It is touted in the proposal.
Patricof and NYCFC’s connected fans stress that they have considered more than 30 sites but decided not to pursue a stadium within Flushing Meadows Corona Park partly because it expected CFG’s majority owners in Abu Dhabi to be heavily scrutinized, especially when building on city park property. That threat will always be there so long as Abu Dhabi continues its human rights violations but the hope is that they will have amassed enough local support and gained just enough allies to overcome it. They submitted a proposal to build at Belmont Park but were criticized by fans for considering a site that was outside the five boroughs and ultimately lost to the New York Islanders’ proposal. Patricof said they are considering two sites at Willets Point in Queens where Related recently gained approval to build 1,100 units of low-and-middle income housing. Local councilman Francisco Moya and borough president Melinda Katz already voiced support for a soccer stadium at the site.
City will continue to pursue separate stadium sites at the same time and are going to keep it close to the vest as the rather vague ‘not an active site’ statement from Patricof shows. Since no proposal has won, the Harlem River Yards site remains an open possibility even if efforts to secure the site may not be very “active.” Given their work cultivating a presence in the area, it doesn’t make sense for the site to simply go by the wayside. But the Empire State Development Corporation considers these proposals with no consistent timeline and no clear rhyme or reason. That being said, it is unlikely that an agency so close to Gov. Andrew Cuomo would consider a contentious proposal in an election year.
Should the team fail in its efforts to build at the rail yards then the site will just go down as one of the 30-plus sites. NYCFC will move on with attempts to build in Queens or wherever a relatively large plot of land in the city opens up. If Empire State Development decides in their favor, then NYCFC get to build more than a home for soccer games but a base to fulfill its greater ambitions.
(Photo by New York City FC)
It emerged recently that New York City FC is seeking to build a $700 million stadium in the South Bronx as the developer-friendly YIMBY blog obtained a year-old proposal for a site at a rail yard along the Harlem River that the state seeks to develop. NYCFC and its partners acknowledged the proposal but backtracked, stating that it was one of many sites being considered. Still under review, their proposal reflects their ambitions not only as a football club but as a cultural institution.
NYCFC is now in their fourth season at Yankee Stadium, the “temporary location” Manchester City CEO Ferran Soriano suggested the club would need to play at for “two years, maybe three” when they were officially announced in May 2013.
Through a Freedom of Information Law request,The Athletic was able to obtain both NYCFC’s and another developer’s proposal to build on the Harlem River Yards in the Mott Haven section of The Bronx. If approved, City would partner with Related Companies and Somerset Partners to build a stadium plus housing and medical, commercial and entertainment space. The stadium would seat 26,000 but has the potential to be expanded “if appropriate.” A financial summary in the proposal explains that the group would pay $500,000 a year for 99 years for the air rights above the rail yardand contribute $25 million for the construction of an esplanade and $100 million in infrastructure improvements. Exact financial details were not included.
According to the proposal, it would take about four and a half years from approval until the stadium would be completed. At least 550 units of affordable housing, built by Somerset and Related Companies, would come first. They are currently building the largest private housing development in the city at the Hudson River Yards, which is also being built above an active rail yard. The Chairman of Related Companies, Stephen Ross, is the principal owner of the Miami Dolphins and Hard Rock Stadium in Miami Gardens, Fla. He is also the founder of RSE, a private investment firm which operates the International Champions Cup, a club competition that Manchester City’s men’s and women’s teams will participate in this summer. The Athletic understands that this proposal was kept under heavy secrecy within Related Companies.
Speaking to reporters last week, club president Jon Patricof downplayed the club’s bid, noting that the Harlem River Yards project was not an “active site.” Both proposals reviewed are dated from 2017. The Empire State Development Corporation said it is still accepting responses to its original request for expressions of interest, a sign that it is not yet ready to reward either proposal.
The other proposal was submitted by developers L&M Development and Omni New York. The project, a $2.2 billion mixed use complex called Alexander Landing, would include about 170 more units of housing than what NYCFC, Related and Somerset propose. It says it would create 1,611 full-time jobs, as their proposal also includes building a charter school, healthcare facility and beer garden. It projects a 10-year span between submission and the final completion of construction.
The NYCFC proposal does not state the number of jobs their mixed-use project would create. It instead focuses on both the community and humanitarian impact their stadium would have. They vow to hire a local workforce and exclusively use union workers in the construction, build a permanent home for its City In the Community charity, a university tailored to producing scholars majoring in and around the business of soccer, an urgent care clinic and a multi-use square for local retailers and food trucks. The actual impact this would have on the South Bronx is difficult to project, but the intended impact would be to establish the club and by important extension its owners as patrons and philanthropists to one of the most historically disadvantaged communities in the city.
The rail yards site is about a mile from the playground where the club announced its New York City Soccer Initiative — a partnership with the Mayor’s Office, Adidas and the US Soccer Foundation to build 50 pitches across all five boroughs. And a half-mile away from the mini pitch it built at a public school. The club also has a partnership with the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office sponsoring weekend-night soccer programs for youth. Executives point to these community efforts whenever their ambition is questioned and while it may read as a deflection, it does show where the club devotes much of its resources.
The club’s owners, City Football Group, say in the proposal that their principles toward building infrastructure include: positive soccer development, local employment, environmentally friendly practices and engaging with the community to meet its needs. Just how much a 26,000-seat stadium intended for use beyond soccer meets the South Bronx community’s needs remains to be seen. CFG said 60 percent of the jobs at their complex in Manchester went to locals and although The Bronx is recovering well, it could use some more jobs. Property values in Mott Haven and other parts of the borough are rising rather quickly as well. Somerset are key figures in the neighborhood as developers of a six-tower residential project that’s being built directly west of the proposed stadium. It is touted in the proposal.
Patricof and NYCFC’s connected fans stress that they have considered more than 30 sites but decided not to pursue a stadium within Flushing Meadows Corona Park partly because it expected CFG’s majority owners in Abu Dhabi to be heavily scrutinized, especially when building on city park property. That threat will always be there so long as Abu Dhabi continues its human rights violations but the hope is that they will have amassed enough local support and gained just enough allies to overcome it. They submitted a proposal to build at Belmont Park but were criticized by fans for considering a site that was outside the five boroughs and ultimately lost to the New York Islanders’ proposal. Patricof said they are considering two sites at Willets Point in Queens where Related recently gained approval to build 1,100 units of low-and-middle income housing. Local councilman Francisco Moya and borough president Melinda Katz already voiced support for a soccer stadium at the site.
City will continue to pursue separate stadium sites at the same time and are going to keep it close to the vest as the rather vague ‘not an active site’ statement from Patricof shows. Since no proposal has won, the Harlem River Yards site remains an open possibility even if efforts to secure the site may not be very “active.” Given their work cultivating a presence in the area, it doesn’t make sense for the site to simply go by the wayside. But the Empire State Development Corporation considers these proposals with no consistent timeline and no clear rhyme or reason. That being said, it is unlikely that an agency so close to Gov. Andrew Cuomo would consider a contentious proposal in an election year.
Should the team fail in its efforts to build at the rail yards then the site will just go down as one of the 30-plus sites. NYCFC will move on with attempts to build in Queens or wherever a relatively large plot of land in the city opens up. If Empire State Development decides in their favor, then NYCFC get to build more than a home for soccer games but a base to fulfill its greater ambitions.
(Photo by New York City FC)
We always talk about what we want as fans, but what should there be for the visiting team. Some interesting thing I came across.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/f...balls-most-devious-dressing-room-tactics.html
https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/8k2ul3/robin_van_persie_stoke_city_away_was_the_most/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/f...balls-most-devious-dressing-room-tactics.html
https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/8k2ul3/robin_van_persie_stoke_city_away_was_the_most/
Four point five years......... Fck fck fckity fck...... is that approval from the state (RFP) or approval from the city’s building department (and any other agencies that have jurisdiction on/around waterways like the DEP)?
It’s more stomachable if it’s approval for winning the RFP, but even that is crazy long since they aren’t awarding it Saturday while celebrating Villa.
give me a visitor tunnel like FC St Pauli's
Orlando did that it looks silly. I'd rather have fans berating the opponents in the tunnel, like those clowns at Red Bull Arena as Vieira says.
Lol, not biased at all.
I think it looks silly in Orlando because it's extremely contrived. Would be cool if they actually let some current street famous writers go nuts on there, but that ain't happening. If CFG tried to pull this off it would end up looking full business park.
My point is, you know that what they've done they in Manchester is what they'll replicate in New York.
Maybe with some subway tile. And a horrible stench in the summer.
