Stadium Discussion

[Drainyoo]

the Belt and the Van Wyck are two of the worst highways in the tri-state area

My wife grew up in the area, and when we dated I mastered all the shortcuts around there. If the stadium is built near the Aqueduct, the way I will be taking is the Jackie Robinson to Woodhaven Blvd to Rockaway. Woodhaven is quick and on weekends there's never much traffic. I try to avoid the Van Wyke like the plague.

 

[Drainyoo]

My point is that you still draw Brooklyn and Queens to YS, but you also gain the northern burbs. At aqueduct, you lose those burbs. And if you can't see that the money in westchester and ffld counties make up for lower population numbers, i don't know what to tell you.

Nassau, Brooklyn and Queens are still in YS circle, that's the point.

Going from Nassua County to the YS, is the same as going from Westchester to South Queens. If I can make Yankee games easily from out there in LI, then folks in Westchester can get to games in Queens. I think people are overreacting. The only folks I can see that have a legitimate gripe are those in CT.

 

[Drainyoo]

The comments knocking South Ozone Park make me giggle, because it's in comparison to the South Bronx.

Bronx or Queens I'll be there regardless, but Aqueduct would be a HUGE hit with the locals and surrounding areas. I can already see the BCAC packing the group section for games.

No matter where they build the stadium, even if it's in Westchester or NJ, I will always keep my season tickets. I will make less games, but supporting the team is important to me and my plan is to keep these seats in my family for a long time so my kids can give them to their kids.

 

[Vires]

The most fun stadium i have been to is Wrigley field in Chicago. As soon as you exit the stadium into Wrigleyville you have everything a fan would want. The atmosphere carries right over into the street with thousands of other fans.

The flip side to this is the Chicago white Sox stadium in middle of nowhere Chicago suburbs with literally nothing to do after the game, fans just pile back onto the train or into their cars.

We see the same thing in New York to a lesser extent with YS vs Citi field. YS has bars, shops, restaurants, heck even street vendors at least right outside the ballpark. Its nowhere close to the atmosphere of Wrigleyville but it sure beats Citi fields giant parking lot and flushing meadows.

Building the stadium in Aquaduct dooms us to the same fate, people will go the game, and then go home. There will be no atmosphere around the stadium, no place for everyone to meet up, enjoy other games that day (either before or after) and just hang out.

 

[Tom in Fairfield CT]

I am not sure I agree but can respect your opinion. You wont get the same amount of people from queens huffing it up to the bronx if it is up there just as you wont get the same amount of people making the haul from CT if it is down at aqueduct.

as for money. If you don't realize there is more money in Nassau County then Fairfield CT I dont know what to tell you. And tickets start at $300 for a full season so we aren't exactly talking about billionaire money here.

You are right about the money, that surprised me. My point stands about the more central location of the Bronx.

Edit: Who said anything about Nassau county? You were saying the numbers in Queens were higher population wise, and I said Westchester and FFld are more desireable due to the money up here.

 

[Drainyoo]

The most fun stadium i have been to is Wrigley field in Chicago. As soon as you exit the stadium into Wrigleyville you have everything a fan would want. The atmosphere carries right over into the street with thousands of other fans.

The flip side to this is the Chicago white Sox stadium in middle of nowhere Chicago suburbs with literally nothing to do after the game, fans just pile back onto the train or into their cars.

We see the same thing in New York to a lesser extent with YS vs Citi field. YS has bars, shops, restaurants, heck even street vendors at least right outside the ballpark. Its nowhere close to the atmosphere of Wrigleyville but it sure beats Citi fields giant parking lot and flushing meadows.

Building the stadium in Aquaduct dooms us to the same fate, people will go the game, and then go home. There will be no atmosphere around the stadium, no place for everyone to meet up, enjoy other games that day (either before or after) and just hang out.

I can see how this appeals to some, but most people, including myself, go straight home after a game. YS and Citi aren't doomed at all. They both have wonderful stadiums, and provide a great sports experience. Sure, an experience outside of the stadium would be nice, but for many it's not a deal breaker. The experience inside the stadium is what counts. If the Aqueduct location makes it much easier, faster and cheaper for them to build a SSS, then I'm 100% behind it. The sooner we get into a SSS, the better.

 

[Tom in Fairfield CT]

The most fun stadium i have been to is Wrigley field in Chicago. As soon as you exit the stadium into Wrigleyville you have everything a fan would want. The atmosphere carries right over into the street with thousands of other fans.

The flip side to this is the Chicago white Sox stadium in middle of nowhere Chicago suburbs with literally nothing to do after the game, fans just pile back onto the train or into their cars.

We see the same thing in New York to a lesser extent with YS vs Citi field. YS has bars, shops, restaurants, heck even street vendors at least right outside the ballpark. Its nowhere close to the atmosphere of Wrigleyville but it sure beats Citi fields giant parking lot and flushing meadows.

Building the stadium in Aquaduct dooms us to the same fate, people will go the game, and then go home. There will be no atmosphere around the stadium, no place for everyone to meet up, enjoy other games that day (either before or after) and just hang out.

I have to disagree, not many people are hanging out in the South Bronx at 10 pm after Yankee games

 

[Vires]

I have to disagree, not many people are hanging out in the South Bronx at 10 pm after Yankee games

I agree, but at 4pm/7pm on a Saturday? Packed.

EDIT: or 6pm before a game, tons of people.

 

[ozgie]

You are right about the money, that surprised me. My point stands about the more central location of the Bronx.

Edit: Who said anything about Nassau county? You were saying the numbers in Queens were higher population wise, and I said Westchester and FFld are more desireable due to the money up here.

Fairfield is to Bronx as Nassau is to ??Answer = queens. I think that was on the SAT's

 

[Drainyoo]

I agree, but at 4pm/7pm on a Saturday? Packed.

EDIT: or 6pm before a game, tons of people.

Yeah, but that's just a bunch of drunken college kids or adults who haven't gotten over their college days. Not to judge anyone, but that's really the type of folks packing these places before/after games.

 

[Tom in Fairfield CT]

Fairfield is to Bronx as Nassau is to ??Answer = queens. I think that was on the SAT's

Nassau is equidistant to YS and south queens, its irrelevant to this discussion.

And since you can't keep a civil conversation going, that will be the last I say to you on this topic.

 

[Vires]

Yeah, but that's just a bunch of drunken college kids or adults who haven't gotten over their college days. Not to judge anyone, but that's really the type of folks packing these places before/after games.

Fans are fans. If the goal is to fill the seats having things to appeal to the most people possible is how to accomplish that goal. Drunk college kids today are the adult season ticket holders of tomorrow. I saw a TON of college kids supporting USMNT during the world cup, be great to convert them in NYCFC fans instead of just world cup fans.

 

[ozgie]

Nassau is equidistant to YS and south queens, its irrelevant to this discussion.

And since you can't keep a civil conversation going, that will be the last I say to you on this topic.

I am not sure how to tell you this other than to just say that's not true.

 

[Drainyoo]

Fans are fans. If the goal is to fill the seats having things to appeal to the most people possible is how to accomplish that goal. Drunk college kids today are the adult season ticket holders of tomorrow. I saw a TON of college kids supporting USMNT during the world cup, be great to convert them in NYCFC fans instead of just world cup fans.

Agreed, but these type of fans are a small percentage of the fan base. Most folks go straight to the game, then straight home, especially during weekday games. I doubt NYCFC is too concerned with the experience outside the stadium at this point.

 

[ozgie]

The most fun stadium i have been to is Wrigley field in Chicago. As soon as you exit the stadium into Wrigleyville you have everything a fan would want. The atmosphere carries right over into the street with thousands of other fans.

The flip side to this is the Chicago white Sox stadium in middle of nowhere Chicago suburbs with literally nothing to do after the game, fans just pile back onto the train or into their cars.

We see the same thing in New York to a lesser extent with YS vs Citi field. YS has bars, shops, restaurants, heck even street vendors at least right outside the ballpark. Its nowhere close to the atmosphere of Wrigleyville but it sure beats Citi fields giant parking lot and flushing meadows.

Building the stadium in Aquaduct dooms us to the same fate, people will go the game, and then go home. There will be no atmosphere around the stadium, no place for everyone to meet up, enjoy other games that day (either before or after) and just hang out.

Wherever the stadium is thing can spring up around it. Do you think Stans was popular before Yankee stadium was there?

 

[Vires]

Wherever the stadium is thing can spring up around it. Do you think Stans was popular before Yankee stadium was there?

Fair enough.

Also just occurred to me, we are going to hear aircraft taking off/landing the entire game, every game.

 

[Drainyoo]

Fair enough.

Also just occurred to me, we are going to hear aircraft taking off/landing the entire game, every game.

Just like at CitiField. It's not a big deal.

 

[Vires]

Just like at CitiField. It's not a big deal.

Yeah, I hate that at Citi and Aquduct is even closer to a larger airport with bigger planes.

 

[Davo15]

You know you don't have to have season tickets to support the team. I have no intention of getting a season ticket no matter where they locate the stadium. It's a bit of a trip from Connecticut , most of the games are Saturday night which is not always convenient to non soccer social life etc. People seem to be talking on here like the only two options are season ticket or ignore the team. I'd plan on coming to 1 to 5 games a season no matter where the stadium is and watch the rest on telly and wouldn't feel any less of a fan. I consider myself a big Rangers fan but don't go down to the Garden often and an even bigger Buffalo Bills NFL fan but I hardly ever attend a live American football game.

 

[Vires]

I've got the solution. We just tear down MSG and build a NYCFC stadium in that footprint. Perfect =)