RSL Postmatch
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Camargo was invisible.
T-Mac doesn't work on the wing in this system. He should be camping and creating. He's a CAM!
Okoli was flat footed and not at all creative. Remember how y'all were calling T-Mac's goal in Dallas lucky? This goal was fuckin' lucky.
This loss is squarely on Vieira. Instead of adjusting (not just rotating) to help his talent succeed, he tried to force a square peg into a round hole. These are all HIS guys now. If we "lack depth" it's because Vieira lacks the vision to use any of it.
Except for when he got trucked over on the corner kick that led to the winning goal.
Pirlo is donezo.
Why would anyone walk away from a contracted few mil, we've asked. Well, you saw it last night.
He may have some pride that he'd like to maintain. He won't have that or even any shame left by the end with things as they are.
Why would anyone walk away from a contracted few mil, we've asked. Well, you saw it last night.
He may have some pride that he'd like to maintain. He won't have that or even any shame left by the end with things as they are.
I would care less about these lost points if I didn't think we are about to get a Cyle Larin special and lose one again in Orlando. Road points are hard to come by in this league, and while RSL has been pretty bad, they have been decimated by injuries, and they were really helped by getting some players back last night. Despite Midas' take on it, I was hearing Beckerman's name called all night.
So yes, in hindsight, I wish we had gone for the jugular and started Villa and Harrison, but that was still a winnable game even with the B team out there. Some better shots by Tmac and Ring, and maybe we are talking differently.
Other random notes:
Both outside backs had themselves a game. Thought both White and RJ were terrible. RJ was just completely abused last night by Savarino, and only by the mercy of the ref didn't get carded or give up a PK. White was also lucky to escape red. That two footed tackle was so stupid.
Was a defensive black hole in the midfield, but Pirlo was given time on the ball by RSL, and he was playing some great balls
Thought Maxi and Ring were about the only two up to it last night, will be interesting to see how they handle 3 in 8
So yes, in hindsight, I wish we had gone for the jugular and started Villa and Harrison, but that was still a winnable game even with the B team out there. Some better shots by Tmac and Ring, and maybe we are talking differently.
Other random notes:
Both outside backs had themselves a game. Thought both White and RJ were terrible. RJ was just completely abused last night by Savarino, and only by the mercy of the ref didn't get carded or give up a PK. White was also lucky to escape red. That two footed tackle was so stupid.
Was a defensive black hole in the midfield, but Pirlo was given time on the ball by RSL, and he was playing some great balls
Thought Maxi and Ring were about the only two up to it last night, will be interesting to see how they handle 3 in 8
All things considered, Camargo's performance was one of the worst and most disappointing in our brief history. I guess our suspicions on the issues were spot on, and he's a wasted roster spot for now.
I lost count of how many times RJ under zero pressure managed to miscontrol the ball and have it go out for a throw
Caution: Rant Approaching
- For some reason Camargo is afraid to try anything at all. Maybe we're just spoiled by JH who stepped onto the field for the first time as a professional and just started burning people 1v1 game after game, but the guy needs some confidence. He'd get the ball in a decent spot (Maxi was trying to tie him in), stand there a second, then say yea fuck this and pass it backward. All this from a kid who burned Claudio Bravo from 12 yards outside the box just a few months ago. Something just isn't right.
- Jack Harrison is a special player. He's my "motm." Came on, gave no fucks about what the scoreboard said, and proceeded to create immediately. He looks a kid who feels absolutely no pressure, no matter the situation. Would love to see him in a big international game one day (whichever team). People will commend Villa and Harrison together for changing the game for a good 15 min once they came on, but it was all jack. Villa was one on one with the keeper and fired it right at his chest.
- I was expecting the JH for Camargo sub, but Villa for TMac seemed odd. Then Villa took up centrally, and Okoli went LW, and it was more than odd. Okoli is definitely not a winger, and should never be deployed as one. I'd be fine with Villa and Okoli on at the same time, but either go 2 up top or play Villa wide, because Okoli was a waste of space on the flank. Should have had Wallace on the bench.
- Defense was just not the same without Chanot. I think if PV is going to play Brillant, it needs to be in a back 3. You take Chanot out for him and all of a sudden we're having 2015 flashbacks. Not that either goal was necessarily squarely on Brillant, but as a whole the backline looked far worse.
- Speaking of defense, RJ needs to go. Whatever he brings offensively is completely overridden by the fact that his go-to defending style is beat this guy up and take his lunch money. He's way too brutal and lacks any real defensive skill to stand a guy up. As soon as you get near him he's got a fist full of jersey. Done with him.
- Ian mentioned the absence of Lampard and the need to replace his goals. I think we have replaced his goals via the Wallace and Jack combo, and it became evident when neither started. Ring blasted one outside the box shot into the nosebleeds, but he's never going to grow a Lampard leg. We needed a goal from someone, and wasted another perfect free kick chance by giving it to Pirlo. Perfectly positioned for a worldie, and he tries to go near post over the wall, which he just doesn't have in his locker anymore. We're not bashing Pirlo, because this guy is not Pirlo.
- All this said, the blame is squarely on PV. He should have realized this was low-hanging fruit and prioritized these 3 points over ORL. Would have gone in happy, not really expecting to take anything from ORL but content about it. Instead we lose to a team that's so shit they start Wingert, and now have to slog through the weekend and reluctantly turn on the TV to get slapped just hours before the Monday commute.
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relax, season starts in just over a month. We'll be fine. #4thInTheEastWinTheCup
I actually don't remember anyone calling TMac's goal in Dallas lucky. I'm pretty sure most people here said it was an amazing effort on his part and he is likely the only person on the team that scores that.
If you agree that we needed to rotate players on a busy week with a ton of travel, and you agree that beating Orlando means more than beating RSL, then you can't be too upset about the strategy here. It's not Vieiras fault that every single player he plugged in looked like shit, except okoli, I though he was pretty decent. We have no depth, we gave tmac an extension, haha. Camargo looked clueless. RJ can't play on the left. So if Claudio builds a team, in which none of the nominal backups, Lewis at LW, awuah at LB, etc, will ever play, to me, it's on him, or whoever is in charge of building the roster. Our backups have sucked since year one and never improved despite plenty of time to do so.
Pirlo sucked total ass, turned it over more than he completed passes, hit the fucking referee at one point and generally looked like he couldn't give less of a shit about this game or this team. I've disliked his aquisition from the start, he's never fit with the team. I hope he just retires. I'd rather see stertzer out there.
Pirlo sucked total ass, turned it over more than he completed passes, hit the fucking referee at one point and generally looked like he couldn't give less of a shit about this game or this team. I've disliked his aquisition from the start, he's never fit with the team. I hope he just retires. I'd rather see stertzer out there.
I have no issue rotating players, if that's really the focus, but the rotation has to make sense with our strategic goals and tactical execution. If the focus is squarely on Orlando, then there was zero reason to have Ring & Maxi playing last night, even Callens & White. We could have fielded a total B-Team and not been pissed about it if we didn't force ourselves to adhere to a 433 (with players of quality that can't do it - a 451 or 442 would have made more sense to win the midfield with Route-1 soccer) and then throw starters on to try and rescue the match (diminishing their fitness). PV wanted his cake and to eat it to. I'd be fine with 1/6 pts if we were going into Orlando with a 100% rested A-Team that didn't make an additional flight midweek. But we aren't, because the coaches fcked the planning up with travel (who the fck cares if the players want to stick together for the RSL match?) and then the lineup. Not using Awuah, Lewis, gomez, Lopez last night was a blatant disregard of our roster (i.e. protecting the A-team), and now I'm worried we may finish these three games with 1/9 pts. Our Coaches and FO staff need to do better - they're responsible for this.
edit - The lineup I posted a few days ago was throwing a bone to PV if he wanted to fully rest the starters. For the record, I'd have played to win last night and pulled starters after a good lead. Get 4/6 pts and hope for a result in Orlando with B-players added if A's are gassed in the fitness tests. Hate to lose to Orlando, if that would happen, but getting pts in hand is way more important than throwing a game.
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- To me the big mystery is where was Lewis. We paid $250k for the kid, he looked good with the U20 Nationals, and he's not even in the squad on rotation night. Can he be showing that poorly in training?
- Meanwhile, RJ did not look game fit. Blah blah altitude. He was sucking wind 3 minutes in. What the hell could he have been showing in training that he did get a start?
- The Venezuela call up for YH could not have come at a worse time in the schedule.
- I thought Okoli looked pretty good. That goal was not lucky except that Beckerman had a terrible turnover that went right to him. After that, he had to fight off two defenders to take the shot and put it on target. Nice work.
- But Villa must be pulling some Derek Jeter shit in refusing to share his position and play 2 up center. It's one thing to almost never bring Okoli in late to supplement Villa. But when Okoli starts and you insert DV as a sub, but keep Okoli in as a winger, we might as well just go a man down. The kid is useless out there.
- Camargo is another one who has me not only disappointed but wondering what the hell is up with Lewis. I know they're not at all like for like replacements, but is our depth so screwed up and uneven that Camargo starts at his spot while Lewis can't even make the 18 at his? Or is Lewis that terrible in practice? Or hurt?
- I think we knew this going in, but the day after it's clear how big a trap game this was, not just in the usual sense of a weak opponent sandwiched between two good ones, but with the schedule and the travel, PV had no choice that didn't concede something in advance. Taking points from Orlando is more important than RSL. Plus, I think pride and saving face played into it. The two biggest pimples on our record are RB and Orlando. Going with a full squad against scoreless-in-forever RSL, and then limping into Orlando with either an exhausted lineup or the B- Team would announce to the world that we never thought we could win in Orlando. It might have been smart but I can't imagine PV conceding like that. If we break our Orlando hex, in Orlando, and give them their first home loss, that's a huge +, but if not, giving up what should have been easy points in Utah was just a waste.
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Camargo was terrible. Worse than invisible, because you could see him making mistakes up and down the field. He ruined buildups with bad passes and created danger with poor defending, and that's not even taking into account the winning goal.
Those who have been screaming for Camargo to get more time need to open up their mouths for a big serving of crow.
Pirlo was fine. None of the issues tonight were on him. He directed the buildup and created several dangerous plays with pinpoint diagonal passes. Not his fault the team didn't capitalize.
TMac and Ugo were okay. RJ poor.
I want to see that first RSL goal again to figure out how he got all that space to shoot, especially after he had nearly scored on a similar shot a couple minutes before.
Those who have been screaming for Camargo to get more time need to open up their mouths for a big serving of crow.
Pirlo was fine. None of the issues tonight were on him. He directed the buildup and created several dangerous plays with pinpoint diagonal passes. Not his fault the team didn't capitalize.
TMac and Ugo were okay. RJ poor.
I want to see that first RSL goal again to figure out how he got all that space to shoot, especially after he had nearly scored on a similar shot a couple minutes before.
This is the rule in MLS for probably the next decade:
After every season, cut your entire bench and take half of your starters and bench them for better players. Your worst five starters aren't good enough for the league anymore. The league has blown by our fringe players.
Pirlo's cooked. Did we use our buyout already? I forget.
After every season, cut your entire bench and take half of your starters and bench them for better players. Your worst five starters aren't good enough for the league anymore. The league has blown by our fringe players.
Pirlo's cooked. Did we use our buyout already? I forget.
I agree with you that Pirlo served up some good buildup and honestly if the players in front of him were more clinical he should have had a second assist. I'm thinking principally of the ball where he went over the top to TMac who had acres of space on the right but was too slow.
However, if Pirlo was a little slow last year it has fallen off the cliff this year. I could accept it if he was contributing offensively - for example, let's say he delivers a pinpoint ball for a corner goal and builds up to another goal and NYCFC wins 3-2; then you say it's worth playing Pirlo. O assists on the year, he's not cutting it. Oh, and they flashed up a stat that NYCFC has had the fourth most corners in the league and 0 corner kick goals. Something's gotta give.
On the Rusnak goal, lazy defending. First Tommy Mac gets spun around and doesn't close down Savarino, allowing him to cut and run across the box and pass the ball to Rusnak. Then, the defense plays five yards off of Rusnak and no one steps to him allowing him to get the shot off. Look at when Harrison cuts across the box; he's got defenders on him. Awful goal all around - especially worse because Rusnak had just did that same shot a few minutes earlier - so it's not like they shouldn't have expected it.
So if PV loves to coach up young guys, explain to me why Lewis and Awuah weren't even in the 18 last night? At least they have potential unlike Stertzer who is an open cup guy at best. Did PV really think Stertzer would play better at altitude because he played for RSL in the past?
Also, I'm befuddled as to why Stertzer was put in the midfield. I thought he was a guy to get in the area and potentially steal a goal at the end (like in preseason). When he came in the lineup lost all shape and the game effectively ended. Even the announcers couldn't decipher what formation NYCFC was playing.
Also, I'm befuddled as to why Stertzer was put in the midfield. I thought he was a guy to get in the area and potentially steal a goal at the end (like in preseason). When he came in the lineup lost all shape and the game effectively ended. Even the announcers couldn't decipher what formation NYCFC was playing.
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