Jersey Postmatch

[canchon]

Nice analysis (with high praise) of Villa's day yesterday.

It's this kind of stuff that brings him to MVP level for me. He's not just one of the league's best goalscorers, but he does all kinds of other stuff too.

https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2017/06/24/rosano-david-villas-influence-nycfc-felt-beyond-scoresheet

Harrison was wide open because both Collin and Long were preoccupied with Villa. It's beautiful how Villa recognizes that the ball is going wide and immediately starts his movement to the center, dragging both CBs with him and opening a pocket of space for Harrison.

 

[Midas Mulligan]

Sweat is fine when he is your 10th or 11th best player. The league has a salary cap. Every team will have Sweats and Allens and Lopez's. The key is putting them in a position where they can't hurt you.

Like when Midas Mulligan played Little League and they put him in Left Field.

I told you I suck at outfield. Not my fault I could hit well enough to be worth the risk.

ETA: and didn't I just post in this thread that Wallace is the absolute only way we get away with Sweat? Think about it. At least to my memory, when he's been most exposed it's been without Wallace. Even though Wallace isn't filling for him spatially, he's filling for him responsibility wise by occupying defenders and then closing them down like a one man Wolfpack that's likely rabid.

Damn. When people hate on the US for not developing players borrowing German club developed guys, I just look at Rodney and so many similar guys. You really want to tell me MLS isn't raising all of CONCACAF? How many of the top half of NT players for all of CONCACAF are actually US developed now? Probably 25% or more I'd guess.

(Yes, I got totally off track on the last paragraph. But I resent that Rodney Wallace isn't nor has he ever been US eligible despite moving here at age 9 with his family. That guy is as much of an American as I am. And I have no idea what his preference is, personally. Also American to choose to rep your parents birthplace, too. No resentment towards him.)

 

[Midas Mulligan]

Not sure if anybody has mentioned this, but Hererra plays very quick and dangerous through balls when he wins the ball in an advanced midfield position on our side of the field. That one ball in space for Wallace very easily could have resulted in a red card when Wallace was tugged down - a split second later on the tug and Wallace would have had clear separation on their Right Back as last man.

Herrera is so impressive in every way. Can't praise him enough.

Btw, we may have a secret sauce now. Let CFG buy a player under MCFC flag, let him play well for us for a year or 2, you get to sell him on at MLS performance price plus MCFC magic dust premium.

FTR, I've been on the Herrera will be here next year tip from jump street. Sticking with it. This is a kiss and make-up effort/attempting a new group wide strategy. Could see Herrera drawing potential MLS record fee with another year and some marginal presumed improvement.

 

[LionNYC]

Herrera is so impressive in every way. Can't praise him enough.

Btw, we may have a secret sauce now. Let CFG buy a player under MCFC flag, let him play well for us for a year or 2, you get to sell him on at MLS performance price plus MCFC magic dust premium.

FTR, I've been on the Herrera will be here next year tip from jump street. Sticking with it. This is a kiss and make-up effort/attempting a new group wide strategy. Could see Herrera drawing potential MLS record fee with another year and some marginal presumed improvement.

We just need a way to feed some of that sale money to us for GAM purposes.

 

[LionNYC]

Herrera is so impressive in every way. Can't praise him enough.

Btw, we may have a secret sauce now. Let CFG buy a player under MCFC flag, let him play well for us for a year or 2, you get to sell him on at MLS performance price plus MCFC magic dust premium.

FTR, I've been on the Herrera will be here next year tip from jump street. Sticking with it. This is a kiss and make-up effort/attempting a new group wide strategy. Could see Herrera drawing potential MLS record fee with another year and some marginal presumed improvement.

We just need a way to feed some of that sale money to us for GAM purposes.

 

[Midas Mulligan]

We just need a way to feed some of that sale money to us for GAM purposes.

That's an easy one if you put your mind to it. Wouldn't be a complete surprise to see the strategy I'm presuming happen with Herrera himself.

 

[Ulrich]

Herrera is so impressive in every way. Can't praise him enough.

Btw, we may have a secret sauce now. Let CFG buy a player under MCFC flag, let him play well for us for a year or 2, you get to sell him on at MLS performance price plus MCFC magic dust premium.

FTR, I've been on the Herrera will be here next year tip from jump street. Sticking with it. This is a kiss and make-up effort/attempting a new group wide strategy. Could see Herrera drawing potential MLS record fee with another year and some marginal presumed improvement.

I've been thinking about this, and I wouldn't be surprised if NYCFC bought Hererra from MCFC, so they get paid for FFP, and we get Hererra on a 4yr contract as a Young DP - his Cap hit is only $150k as 20yo and $200k from 21-23yo. Hererra gets paid the $ he deserves if he'd gone to Europe, gets to hone his skills in a very physical/fast league with great tutelage from PV, and can then be "promised" a transfer to a big team at the end of his contract - the 4th year of the contract is only so NYCFC can get full use as YDP and then has time to sell without losing on a free. And as a YDP, anywhere from $280-325k is freed up each year for another high quality player or split among multiple. It's a massive win/win for everybody.

 

[Midas Mulligan]

I've been thinking about this, and I wouldn't be surprised if NYCFC bought Hererra from MCFC, so they get paid for FFP, and we get Hererra on a 4yr contract as a Young DP - his Cap hit is only $150k as 20yo and $200k from 21-23yo. Hererra gets paid the $ he deserves if he'd gone to Europe, gets to hone his skills in a very physical/fast league with great tutelage from PV, and can then be "promised" a transfer to a big team at the end of his contract - the 4th year of the contract is only so NYCFC can get full use as YDP and then has time to sell without losing on a free. And as a YDP, anywhere from $280-325k is freed up each year for another high quality player or split among multiple. It's a massive win/win for everybody.

That's an easy one if you put your mind to it. Wouldn't be a complete surprise to see the strategy I'm presuming happen with Herrera himself.

Well, now you ruined the joy everyone could have had by solving my mystery post.

ETA: at least one other massive component to this strategy you didn't mention. More freedom to swing and miss. We get a season long test run before we have to make the call on similar players.

Wouldn't be entirely surprised to find out Josh Sargent MCFC interest rumors were further testing of the strategy. Only thing I'm not quite sure about is how SKC claim impacts things, even though they can fuck off for all Sargent cares.

 

[Ulrich]

Well, now you ruined the joy everyone could have had by solving my mystery post.

Ha! Was going to post it anyway today, but seemed fitting to respond to your post since you brought it up. The best thing about a loan from MCFC is that we can try the goods before committing. That's the biggest issue with a YDP, or any DP really, is how will they fit in the league and will there be buyers remorse on a multi year contract? Look at RB, they fcked themselves with a Veron - one of the most underused DPs ever, what a waste from their brain trust.

 

[Ulrich]

Well, now you ruined the joy everyone could have had by solving my mystery post.

ETA: at least one other massive component to this strategy you didn't mention. More freedom to swing and miss. We get a season long test run before we have to make the call on similar players.

Wouldn't be entirely surprised to find out Josh Sargent MCFC interest rumors were further testing of the strategy. Only thing I'm not quite sure about is how SKC put in that claim, even though they can fuck off for all Sargent cares.

I actually wouldn't be surprised if MCFC bought Hererra back after a three year stint here. By then, he'd have earned enough NT caps to qualify for a work permit.

 

[Midas Mulligan]

I actually wouldn't be surprised if MCFC bought Hererra back after a three year stint here. By then, he'd have earned enough NT caps to qualify for a work permit.

Would Venezuela rank high enough? That's what I always saw as the biggest hurdle.

 

[Ulrich]

Well, now you ruined the joy everyone could have had by solving my mystery post.

ETA: at least one other massive component to this strategy you didn't mention. More freedom to swing and miss. We get a season long test run before we have to make the call on similar players.

Wouldn't be entirely surprised to find out Josh Sargent MCFC interest rumors were further testing of the strategy. Only thing I'm not quite sure about is how SKC put in that claim, even though they can fuck off for all Sargent cares.

I would laugh hysterically if NYCFC got Sargent via this route, right out from under SKC's bullshit homegrown claim. If he could have a year+ working alongside Villa, he'd pick up some serious experience. And learning PV's short passing game would lift his game to a new level. Look at how composed in attack Jack has become in one year.

 

[Midas Mulligan]

Ha! Was going to post it anyway today, but seemed fitting to respond to your post since you brought it up. The best thing about a loan from MCFC is that we can try the goods before committing. That's the biggest issue with a YDP, or any DP really, is how will they fit in the league and will there be buyers remorse on a multi year contract? Look at RB, they fcked themselves with a Veron - one of the most underused DPs ever, what a waste from their brain trust.

Welp, seems you covered that part, now, as well.

LionNYC so much for my intended lesson. Sorry.

 

[Ulrich]

Would Venezuela rank high enough? That's what I always saw as the biggest hurdle.

I think Venezuela is going to take a big step up in the rankings when the assimilate the U20s into their MNT. They have a very special group, kinda like the golden generation of Portugal, and they're going to be part of the top tier of South America.

 

[Midas Mulligan]

I think Venezuela is going to take a big step up in the rankings when the assimilate the U20s into their MNT. They have a very special group, kinda like the golden generation of Portugal, and they're going to be part of the top tier of South America.

Hmm...that's a touch presumptuous. It's not like just because the young guys in one age group are better that the full squad wil immediately be better. Messi, Suarez, Neymar, Sanchez aren't falling off a cliff tomorrow. And even if they were, again, Venezuela won't have a meaningful game until 2019.

 

[Ulrich]

Hmm...that's a touch presumptuous. It's not like just because the young guys in one age group are better that the full squad wil immediately be better. Messi, Suarez, Neymar, Sanchez aren't falling off a cliff tomorrow. And even if they were, again, Venezuela won't have a meaningful game until 2019.

All true, but the top tier could be: Argentina, Brazil, Peru, Chile, Columbia, and Venezuela (Top Half). Venezuela is at the bottom of qualifying right now, but a lot canchange with a midfield rock and a new scorer. It may not be enough for them, with the gap in overall skill too large, but I think Hererra will steady their ship to keep them in games.

Edit: was thinking Chile and wrote Peru, and didn't realize it until reading a response by Marito - it's not like Sanchez and Vidal wouldn't ever be able to drag their team to the top even if playing four short.

 

[Midas Mulligan]

All true, but the top tier could be: Argentina, Brazil, Peru, Columbia, and Venezuela (Top Half). Venezuela is at the bottom of qualifying right now, but a lot canchange with a midfield rock and a new scorer. It may not be enough for them, with the gap in overall skill too large, but I think Hererra will steady their ship to keep them in games.

Didn't see a goal scorer for them. That's ultimately why they went to extra time every KO match and lost to England.

 

[Ulrich]

Didn't see a goal scorer for them. That's ultimately why they went to extra time every KO match and lost to England.

Cordova had a number of goals. By the end, he was a marked man.

 

[dannd23]

Didn't see a goal scorer for them. That's ultimately why they went to extra time every KO match and lost to England.

Josef on ATL is young enough and a great goal scorer. I think they do have a bright future but it is hard as heck to qualify in SA if you're not Brazil or Argentina. Check that, even Argentina is struggling mightily this cycle.

 

[Midas Mulligan]

Cordova had a number of goals. By the end, he was a marked man.

You didn't watch their matches, did you? Not an insult, just asking. If you did, I don't think you'd call him a finisher. Far from it. He had to have been about half of xG. I don't mean chance conversion either, literally xG.

Josef on ATL is young enough and a great goal scorer. I think they do have a bright future but it is hard as heck to qualify in SA if you're not Brazil or Argentina. Check that, even Argentina is struggling mightily this cycle.

Point taken. But he was not in this u20 cycle.

And yeah, all of this is why I don't see Venezuela racing up the world rankings.