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FredMertz

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Maybe the CBA is close, but there's still a chance of it not being signed, which would mean delayed/no league season..... would think Parks' agent has clause terminating transfer/contract if CBA isn't signed as who wants to sit out a season.....
Why would NYCFC agree to a clause that could result in them losing a player they obviously wanted if there is a 1-week delay in the CBA?
 
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So nothing in the announcement about acquisition cost.
Probably because they don't know whether TAM will be alive in 2020. Now that it's been announced, though, we'll probably never learn exactly what the situation is aside from MLSPA salary releases.
 
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Why would NYCFC agree to a clause that could result in them losing a player they obviously wanted if there is a 1-week delay in the CBA?
They wouldn't. First of all, zero chance we lose the entire season to the CBA. They'll go right down to the wire like they did in 2015 and get the best deal they can. Both sides know they can't afford a work stoppage.

But even if there is a work stoppage, no chance there is a clause like that in any player's contract.
 
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They wouldn't. First of all, zero chance we lose the entire season to the CBA. They'll go right down to the wire like they did in 2015 and get the best deal they can. Both sides know they can't afford a work stoppage.

But even if there is a work stoppage, no chance there is a clause like that in any player's contract.
Really, no chance?
 
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Enemy territory

Who are these people? Are they his family? If not, who are they? If they knew the announcement was coming, why do they seem so shocked? If they didn’t know, why gather around the computer filming yourself?

To be succinct: Wut
Umm, I don't know about you guys but that's pretty much how I reacted when I found out about the permanent deal =)
 

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I could see a clause that says if there's a work stoppage, you need to loan me somewhere. But completely tearing up the contract? No team is agreeing to that.
You speak in absolutes when that’s just not the case.

The CBA is something that Parks has no part or say in since without a current contract, he’s not a player in the union. Why would he agree to a transfer from a club that’s paying him to a club that potentially has a work stoppage/won’t pay during, if he doesn’t have some sort of insurance against that? It’s no different than a real estate contract that is voided if the inspection doesn’t pass, protecting the buyer, or if the mortgage isn’t obtained, protecting the seller.
 

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You speak in absolutes when that’s just not the case.

The CBA is something that Parks has no part or say in since without a current contract, he’s not a player in the union. Why would he agree to a transfer from a club that’s paying him to a club that potentially has a work stoppage/won’t pay during, if he doesn’t have some sort of insurance against that? It’s no different than a real estate contract that is voided if the inspection doesn’t pass, protecting the buyer, or if the mortgage isn’t obtained, protecting the seller.
Because I'm a sports fan in other leagues in America and I've never seen a professional sports contract with a CBA out-clause. I've seen players do things to make their salaries "work-stoppage proof" by making the majority of their pay be signing bonuses so that only a small percentage of pay is withheld, but that's as far as I've ever seen any other American pro sports contract go. So yes, I'm pretty comfortable speaking in absolutes here unless you have inside information that proves me wrong.
 
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Because I'm a sports fan in other leagues in America and I've never seen a professional sports contract with a CBA out-clause. I've seen players do things to make their salaries "work-stoppage proof" by making the majority of their pay be signing bonuses so that only a small percentage of pay is withheld, but that's as far as I've ever seen any other American pro sports contract go. So yes, I'm pretty comfortable speaking in absolutes here unless you have inside information that proves me wrong.
No other American leagues typically buy/sell players to other leagues either, or have their game clocks go upwards, or have peer or greater foreign league's to compete with.
 
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Because I'm a sports fan in other leagues in America and I've never seen a professional sports contract with a CBA out-clause. I've seen players do things to make their salaries "work-stoppage proof" by making the majority of their pay be signing bonuses so that only a small percentage of pay is withheld, but that's as far as I've ever seen any other American pro sports contract go. So yes, I'm pretty comfortable speaking in absolutes here unless you have inside information that proves me wrong.
So not an agent, not a pro player, and having no access to contracts to review, but speaking in absolutes as a fan..... Well OK then.
 
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It's a rather odd situation if you think about it.

If a strike occurs, it would still technically be up to the player whether or not he shows up for practices and games. While I understand the pressure and desire to conform to the union's decision and not cross the picket line, it is still strange to imagine a player asking for protection against something that he ultimately controls.

Not to mention that the owners would try hard to avoid giving anyone a contract that would lessen their sacrifice if a strike occurs.

All of this leads to a separate question of whether the union could really succeed with a strike - whether the players are sufficiently similar in their concerns that they'll act together without many defections. The issues facing a young player are different than an older one, a domestic one different than a foreign one, a highly paid player different than someone making the league minimum.
 

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It's a rather odd situation if you think about it.

If a strike occurs, it would still technically be up to the player whether or not he shows up for practices and games. While I understand the pressure and desire to conform to the union's decision and not cross the picket line, it is still strange to imagine a player asking for protection against something that he ultimately controls.

Not to mention that the owners would try hard to avoid giving anyone a contract that would lessen their sacrifice if a strike occurs.

All of this leads to a separate question of whether the union could really succeed with a strike - whether the players are sufficiently similar in their concerns that they'll act together without many defections. The issues facing a young player are different than an older one, a domestic one different than a foreign one, a highly paid player different than someone making the league minimum.
I think you underestimate the solidarity of the players. LGP was the rep for Atlanta last year and he said that the Union has to be firm with their demands and needs. This is a guy who’s seen it all in Argentina with players getting shafted and not paid - I’d expect most/all South American players to hold firm for the same reasons; this is their one method to increase the league’s salary/benefits and working conditions.
 
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