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Ulrich

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UEFA needs to be careful.

Punish Madrid, City and PSG? Fine. Well form our own Continental League without you.
They’d still have to convince all of the other teams not implicated to bail from UEFA, otherwise that’s a small round-robin league.
 

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City will take the to court if they ban them from the UCL. This is no where near being resolved
What grounds would they have? Rules are written and there’s concrete evidence of subterfuge.
 

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They’d still have to convince all of the other teams not implicated to bail from UEFA, otherwise that’s a small round-robin league.
thats already been started though, i think the same football leaks showed that allegedly Bayern Munich had already been talking and having a few teams on board already. It is very possible, even back when the G14 was a thing it was alluded they wanted to break away.

https://www.dw.com/en/bayern-munich-in-secret-talks-to-join-european-super-league-says-football-leaks/a-46140167
 
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They’d still have to convince all of the other teams not implicated to bail from UEFA, otherwise that’s a small round-robin league.
16 teams have already been approached and discussed.
 

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16 teams have already been approached and discussed.
Right, and they didn’t bail on UEFA before so there’s no guarantee they’ll do it now. I’d wager there’s less of a chance they’d show solidarity considering there’s evidence of MCFC skirting the rules for an unfair competitive advantage.... why would ManU or Arsenal or Liverpool agree to support an organization that via their cheating directly hurts them in all competitions??? Might as well start season down 6pts or more considering what an extra £100M+ can do for a side.
 

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Right, and they didn’t bail on UEFA before so there’s no guarantee they’ll do it now. I’d wager there’s less of a chance they’d show solidarity considering there’s evidence of MCFC skirting the rules for an unfair competitive advantage.... why would ManU or Arsenal or Liverpool agree to support an organization that via their cheating directly hurts them in all competitions??? Might as well start season down 6pts or more considering what an extra £100M+ can do for a side.
I don’t see how their argument wins. Claiming FFP stifles Competition is bunk - nobody says teams can’t do it, but if they choose to there are consequences such as not being able to play in continental cups.
I don't know that claiming that FFP stifles competition is an effective way for CFG to wangle their way out of this situation. But in one of these posts you're saying that it doesn't stifle competition (I think) and in the other you're saying that the act of flouting FFP makes it harder for CFG's competitors. Isn't that a bit of a contradiction?

Also isn't keeping clubs out of competitions the definition of stifling competition?

It's possible that I've misinterpreted what you mean by bunk as "bollocks" vs merely "ineffective", in which case I apologize.

Finally, I feel like the term "cheating" kind of misconstrues the situation slightly. Yes they are flouting the rules, but the rules seem inherently unfair to me. So "skirting the rules for an unfair competitive advantage" is more like "skirting the rules to avoid an unfair competitive disadvantage". I'm not sure what's "fair" about making it easier for the rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer, and I'm clearly no Abu Dhabi advocate.
 
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I don't know that claiming that FFP stifles competition is an effective way for CFG to wangle their way out of this situation. But in one of these posts you're saying that it doesn't stifle competition (I think) and in the other you're saying that the act of flouting FFP makes it harder for CFG's competitors. Isn't that a bit of a contradiction?

Also isn't keeping clubs out of competitions the definition of stifling competition?

It's possible that I've misinterpreted what you mean by bunk as "bollocks" vs merely "ineffective", in which case I apologize.

Finally, I feel like the term "cheating" kind of misconstrues the situation slightly. Yes they are flouting the rules, but the rules seem inherently unfair to me. So "skirting the rules for an unfair competitive advantage" is more like "skirting the rules to avoid an unfair competitive disadvantage". I'm not sure what's "fair" about making it easier for the rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer, and I'm clearly no Abu Dhabi advocate.
Sorry, let me clarify.

In the first quote, I'm saying that the other teams won't move leagues because they agree that skirting FFP stifles competition - they won't support MCFC because it's not in their best interests to allow a club to use unlimited resources.

In the second quote, I'm writing about what MCFC will use as their argument (per the article) that the enforcement of FFP stifles competition because it limits what an owner can do, and that's just a bunk argument - it's actually gaslighting the situation because skirting FFP is what is stifling when other teams are immediately taken out of the competition because it's not a level playing field.
 

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Right, and they didn’t bail on UEFA before so there’s no guarantee they’ll do it now. I’d wager there’s less of a chance they’d show solidarity considering there’s evidence of MCFC skirting the rules for an unfair competitive advantage.... why would ManU or Arsenal or Liverpool agree to support an organization that via their cheating directly hurts them in all competitions??? Might as well start season down 6pts or more considering what an extra £100M+ can do for a side.

Because it’s not about getting more points. This is about getting more revenue. If Man U comes in 6the every year in a Super League and takes in £150 Million more than they do right now, guess what? The Glazers are going for that deal.
 

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Worth $9B, owns half the Nets, and about the buy the Liberty. I'd take him as an owner in a heartbeat. He can also be owner of QFC and I'd be happy.
He’s also the owner of the San Diego Seals and trying to buy the Hurricanes. He’s from the area and I wouldn’t be shocked if he wants another New York sports team in his portfolio. I just don’t think CFG will ever sell.
 

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In the documents the CFG Stadium Group is for “Stadium Operations.” I read that to mean everything that happens on game day - tent, turnstiles, advertisement, food and beverage, employee salaries, insurance, etc.
 
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