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I understood the players at the early stage. They had all been in several cities, had contact with lots of fans, reporters, staff in airports, restaurants and hotels etc. Identifying them as carriers was a productive use of the tests because it could identify more contacts in more cities than the average person. Remember, we don't have tons of random people running up to us, shaking our hands, giving us hugs, handing us pens, posing for pictures etc. All of those people could have been exposed. By identifying 1 NBA player, you could alert hundreds, maybe thousands of people who should isolate, whereas my old ass had close contact with like 7 people in two weeks lol

Another question I haven't seen answered was where are they getting these tests? Are they hiring private labs that can conduct these on a small scale, or are they using the same labs/tests that we would?
I know the Nets said they purchased tests from a private lab. I'm not sure how other teams did it.
 

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I'm glad he got a test. Just because other sick people can't get one doesn't mean he shouldn't get one. Little to no symptoms could mean he lost smell/taste, or had a fever, or had a cough -- we don't know what his symptoms were, but obviously they were enough for him to get a test. The more people that get tested, the better off we'll be. So it's a good thing he got a test, even if it's upsetting that other people can't.
I understood the players at the early stage. They had all been in several cities, had contact with lots of fans, reporters, staff in airports, restaurants and hotels etc. Identifying them as carriers was a productive use of the tests because it could identify more contacts in more cities than the average person. Remember, we don't have tons of random people running up to us, shaking our hands, giving us hugs, handing us pens, posing for pictures etc. All of those people could have been exposed. By identifying 1 NBA player, you could alert hundreds, maybe thousands of people who should isolate, whereas my old ass had close contact with like 7 people in two weeks lol

Another question I haven't seen answered was where are they getting these tests? Are they hiring private labs that can conduct these on a small scale, or are they using the same labs/tests that we would?
My point is, why isn’t he self-quarantining like every other Fcking New Yorker and going on the basis that he does have it. If there was an abundance of tests and testing labs/bandwidth, then everybody should get one, but there isn’t. That’s why the tests right now are being saved for people with real symptoms and/or are at the hospitals.

If Dolan has little to no symptoms, but was isolating himself like the rest of the city/state, people around him would not be exposed.

This sounds to me like he wasn’t isolating, and wouldn’t until he was told he was positive. Last I checked, Basketball isn’t an essential industry or business. Hell, if the Knicks went out of business, it’d probably be the one good thing to come out of this.

I want everybody to be tested, but I want fckers like Dolan to leave the tests for those needing them and have the common sense to act like he’s already infected - he’s a selfish POS.
 

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My point is, why isn’t he self-quarantining like every other Fcking New Yorker and going on the basis that he does have it. If there was an abundance of tests and testing labs/bandwidth, then everybody should get one, but there isn’t. That’s why the tests right now are being saved for people with real symptoms and/or are at the hospitals.

If Dolan has little to no symptoms, but was isolating himself like the rest of the city/state, people around him would not be exposed.

This sounds to me like he wasn’t isolating, and wouldn’t until he was told he was positive. Last I checked, Basketball isn’t an essential industry or business. Hell, if the Knicks went out of business, it’d probably be the one good thing to come out of this.

I want everybody to be tested, but I want fckers like Dolan to leave the tests for those needing them and have the common sense to act like he’s already infected - he’s a selfish POS.
Agreed. If you have light/mild symptoms, you assume you have it and quarantine/isolate yourself. You don't waste a test that could be used for someone who is in much worse condition. yes, testing as many people as possible is great to gather data, but the point of gathering data is to quarantine people who have it. If you have mild symptoms, quarantine yourself, and whether or not you are positive doesn't really matter. You aren't taking up a hospital bed and you aren't infecting anybody else. THAT is all that matters.

It's pretty clear wealthy and connected individuals are able to get tested much more easily than the average person. As much as it sucks, it is how the world works and it isn't going to change. I genuinely hope the new testing that is being approved can be ramped up and made available to more people and hopefully, these quickly approved tests are as effective and accurate as we need them to be.

I watched a great interview on youtube last night with South Korean's #1 infectious disease expert. I recommend viewing it if you have a chance, I put the link below.

 

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Agreed. If you have light/mild symptoms, you assume you have it and quarantine/isolate yourself. You don't waste a test that could be used for someone who is in much worse condition. yes, testing as many people as possible is great to gather data, but the point of gathering data is to quarantine people who have it. If you have mild symptoms, quarantine yourself, and whether or not you are positive doesn't really matter. You aren't taking up a hospital bed and you aren't infecting anybody else. THAT is all that matters.

It's pretty clear wealthy and connected individuals are able to get tested much more easily than the average person. As much as it sucks, it is how the world works and it isn't going to change. I genuinely hope the new testing that is being approved can be ramped up and made available to more people and hopefully, these quickly approved tests are as effective and accurate as we need them to be.

I watched a great interview on youtube last night with South Korean's #1 infectious disease expert. I recommend viewing it if you have a chance, I put the link below.

I actually have the opposite opinion. If you are in serious condition and the symptoms are obvious, and other tests for other illnesses come back negative, it's safe to assume you got it. Proving it doesn't do much.
 
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I actually have the opposite opinion. If you are in serious condition and the symptoms are obvious, and other tests for other illnesses come back negative, it's safe to assume you got it. Proving it doesn't do much.
Everyone should have a test. Everyone who thinks they have it should have a test, that way their close contacts can be notified. Part of the problem here is that it takes 5-7 days to get a test result back -- by the time you get a test back, it was two weeks after you were infected. Our country needs to standardize these tests and we need a test with same-day feedback. It's insane how poorly our testing procedures are here.
 

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Everyone should have a test. Everyone who thinks they have it should have a test, that way their close contacts can be notified. Part of the problem here is that it takes 5-7 days to get a test result back -- by the time you get a test back, it was two weeks after you were infected. Our country needs to standardize these tests and we need a test with same-day feedback. It's insane how poorly our testing procedures are here.
There’s a 5-15min test that just got fasttrack FDA approval. Similar to the rapid flu and strep tests.
 

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There’s a 5-15min test that just got fasttrack FDA approval. Similar to the rapid flu and strep tests.
From what I saw, that test is for one sample at a time and for those smaller machines that can be made available at doctor's offices and small clinics. This would be a nice front line to take care of people and decrease the load on emergency rooms and hospitals in general.

for hospitals, it's still more efficient to use the machines that can give results back within 6-8 hours but with more people each time.

I'm not entirely informed on all the possibilities and pros & cons of each, but the government needs to step up and get the most efficient solutions fast tracked and pushed out to everyone so we can get more data.

I actually have the opposite opinion. If you are in serious condition and the symptoms are obvious, and other tests for other illnesses come back negative, it's safe to assume you got it. Proving it doesn't do much.
I am not saying people should not be tested if they have mild symptoms. I'm saying it more of a priority for those with serious symptoms to get tested because they may require a specific treatment that could mean life or death. Yea, they could test them for everything else and assume they have covid, but if they're already exhibiting serious symptoms and testing for covid means treating one way vs another (e.g., an experimental drug or something), the test should be available for that instead of being used for a mild symptom patient. The ideal, of course, is to test everyone. but for now, we need to prioritize tests since there aren't enough.
 

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From what I saw, that test is for one sample at a time and for those smaller machines that can be made available at doctor's offices and small clinics. This would be a nice front line to take care of people and decrease the load on emergency rooms and hospitals in general.

for hospitals, it's still more efficient to use the machines that can give results back within 6-8 hours but with more people each time.

I'm not entirely informed on all the possibilities and pros & cons of each, but the government needs to step up and get the most efficient solutions fast tracked and pushed out to everyone so we can get more data.



I am not saying people should not be tested if they have mild symptoms. I'm saying it more of a priority for those with serious symptoms to get tested because they may require a specific treatment that could mean life or death. Yea, they could test them for everything else and assume they have covid, but if they're already exhibiting serious symptoms and testing for covid means treating one way vs another (e.g., an experimental drug or something), the test should be available for that instead of being used for a mild symptom patient. The ideal, of course, is to test everyone. but for now, we need to prioritize tests since there aren't enough.
Sure, but in your argument say those people get a test that takes 4-7 days, that doesn't help the sicker person because by the time the test comes back as positive, they might already be dead. This is why we need rapid testing, and we need to test everyone with symptoms.

Also, you can't just test the entire population, because someone could test negative today, then contract the virus tomorrow.
 
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So a little bit of MLS action today. I was walking around downtown and who do I see on a Citi bike? None other that Red Bulls player Alex Muyl. In my mask, I shout "Alex Muyl". He looks over at me across the street and puts his hand up. I say "Go NYCFC!".

Always good to get some banter in during these trying times.
 

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So a little bit of MLS action today. I was walking around downtown and who do I see on a Citi bike? None other that Red Bulls player Alex Muyl. In my mask, I shout "Alex Muyl". He looks over at me across the street and puts his hand up. I say "Go NYCFC!".

Always good to get some banter in during these trying times.
Social distancing saved you from a tire mark on your foot.
 
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Sure, but in your argument say those people get a test that takes 4-7 days, that doesn't help the sicker person because by the time the test comes back as positive, they might already be dead. This is why we need rapid testing, and we need to test everyone with symptoms.

Also, you can't just test the entire population, because someone could test negative today, then contract the virus tomorrow.
I agree with your statement. I'm not arguing against your examples.

First, there are better tests rolling out with much shorter turnaround times, even at scale. it's just taking time to produce them and roll them out everywhere. it will get better.

In the mean time, if someone is on the brink of death and show all the symptoms, you do the faster tests that we have to eliminate the potential obvious causes and then treat for covid if those tests come back negative. but if there is enough time, then test for covid so it's known and proper precautions are taken (such as isolation from other patients). You don't simply test when they come in and do nothing until the results come back. that'd be silly if someone is already experiencing life threatening symptoms.

Yes, if you test someone and they are negative at the time they are tested, they can contract the virus before their results even come back. That is why when you get tested, you are supposed to isolate yourself immediately after giving your sample so that doesn't happen. It's the responsibility of the individual to do that if there simply isn't enough hospital space (and there isn't) to force you into isolation, unless your symptoms are bad enough that hospitalization is required. then, it's pretty much a free for all given that hospitals are being overwhelmed.

We MUST test as much of the population as possible when there are enough tests to do so, but not now. Right now, there simply aren't enough tests so those tests should be prioritized for health care workers and others on the front lines of this, in addition to those showing more than just very minor symptoms. If your symptoms are minor enough that you can self isolate at home, there's no reason to waste a valuable test that could be used on someone who is requiring hospitalization and would need to be isolated in a covid wing.
 

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Hospitals are getting lots of food donated, but Kosher-keeping staff can’t eat most of it. This program gets kosher food to hospitals both for Jewish staff and their colleagues.

 
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Surprised this wasn’t posted. The senior director of media relations for NYCFC tested positive for COVID-19. She has direct contact with the players during interviews of any capacity. Makes you wonder if team officials would begin to test players.

http://instagr.am/p/B-SnzyDp6GG/
 

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Surprised this wasn’t posted. The senior director of media relations for NYCFC tested positive for COVID-19. She has direct contact with the players during interviews of any capacity. Makes you wonder if team officials would begin to test players.
People who have recovered from the disease can be very valuable right now, because they can interact with other people without contracting or spreading it.

My wife, the good Dr. G, is a physician in private practice - 4 physicians total. One of her colleagues was feeling a little under the weather and tested herself. A few days later as she was feeling better, the test came back positive. Other than a recent bout of anosnia - the inability to smell or taste things (an odd symptom of COVID) - she’s been fine for a week or so.

Meanwhile, the hospital where they’re affiliated has asked for a couple of them to come in for a few shifts. Her colleague, once she’s been asymptomatic for 3 days will be ideal. She can get on the front lines and not catch the disease. She is looking into it more closely.
 

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People who have recovered from the disease can be very valuable right now, because they can interact with other people without contracting or spreading it.

My wife, the good Dr. G, is a physician in private practice - 4 physicians total. One of her colleagues was feeling a little under the weather and tested herself. A few days later as she was feeling better, the test came back positive. Other than a recent bout of anosnia - the inability to smell or taste things (an odd symptom of COVID) - she’s been fine for a week or so.

Meanwhile, the hospital where they’re affiliated has asked for a couple of them to come in for a few shifts. Her colleague, once she’s been asymptomatic for 3 days will be ideal. She can get on the front lines and not catch the disease. She is looking into it more closely.
The plasma therapy will definitely be a huge item for those recovered to participate in - my sister has already volunteered and is waiting to be screened.

The issue will be determining when somebody is actually fully recovered. China has seen a 20% “reinfection” rate, which many scientists believe stems from false negatives showing they recovered and then a “new” positive later. The Chinese test is only 30-50% effective (which is part of their problem with astronomically low confirmed cases along with extremely strict parameters of what is considered Covid-19) and reports are that the initial US test is only 60%.
 
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The plasma therapy will definitely be a huge item for those recovered to participate in - my sister has already volunteered and is waiting to be screened.

The issue will be determining when somebody is actually fully recovered. China has seen a 20% “reinfection” rate, which many scientists believe stems from false negatives showing they recovered and then a “new” positive later. The Chinese test is only 30-50% effective (which is part of their problem with astronomically low confirmed cases along with extremely strict parameters of what is considered Covid-19) and reports are that the initial US test is only 60%.
yes. when is someone fully recovered? just cause you had symptoms and then feel better and are asymptomatic, doesn't mean you are necessarily over the virus. we'll need a lot more data to truly have a good grasp on when someone is no longer contagious.

I think the re-infections have to do with the inaccuracies of the tests as well. It just doesn't make much sense for a virus to be able to re-infect someone who has produced antibodies to fight it. As far as I am aware, there's no virus that's ever been able to reinfect a host if that host has the antibodies against it. Obviously, time plays a part in this, but I find it difficult to believe that antibodies for covid only stick around for a short time and not for a few years at minimum. Of course, nothing is definitely right now as there's still so much we don't know. hopefully we can improve the accuracy of tests so better data can be produced.

it's crazy to think we are only a few months into this. It feels like an eternity. we are still over a year away from a vaccine given the best case scenarios for development and testing. our slow reaction and response to this will be why we'll be dealing with this for years instead of months.
 
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Anybody who’s thought China wasn’t gaslighting the world can go buy the bridge in my neighborhood. It’ll probably be a while before true confirmation, but the coverup will get out.

This dovetails on pictures (from reputable news orgs) being circulated of thousands of burial urns being shipped in/unloaded.

 

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Anybody who’s thought China wasn’t gaslighting the world can go buy the bridge in my neighborhood. It’ll probably be a while before true confirmation, but the coverup will get out.

This dovetails on pictures (from reputable news orgs) being circulated of thousands of burial urns being shipped in/unloaded.

That's racist though.

But seriously, it was quite clear that China was at best manipulating its data. It's becoming more and more obvious that it's data is straight up fake.
 

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That's racist though.

But seriously, it was quite clear that China was at best manipulating its data. It's becoming more and more obvious that it's data is straight up fake.
What’s racist?