2017 Yellow Card Accumulation (updated Oct 14)

[Gotham Gator]

Updated October 14 after the Chicago game.

The league rules...

• A player is fined and suspended one game after accumulating 5 Yellow Cards.
• After the first suspension, additional suspensions occur after Yellow Cards 8, 11, 13, 15, 17, etc.
• If a player appears in 5 straight games without a booking, he gets one Yellow Card knocked off. That reduction can be used three times.

https://www.mlssoccer.com/league/official-rules/competition-rules-and-regulations

Numbers in parenthesis reflect the total number of Yellow Cards a player has received after taking into account the reduction(s) described above.

10 Yellows: Ring
8 Yellows: Moralez (suspended next game)

Morales is suspended against New England. Ring will be suspended against Columbus with a Yellow Card against New England.

Card accumulation for the regular season does not carry over to the post season, so only a ed card in the Columbus game could leave one of our players suspended for the first playoff game.

Next Opponents
New England -no suspensions.
Columbus - Meram (M) would be suspended for our game if he receives a Yellow Card in his game this weekend.

Here is a link to the MLS Disciplanary Summary.

 

[SoupInNYC]

I find it very frustrating how long it takes the league to update the Disciplinary Summary for yellow card accumulation. The last game ended around 10pm Eastern Sunday night, and its now almost 11am Tuesday morning, with games just over 24 hours away, and still no update.

That thing should be updated for consumption over Sunday night so people can have it Monday morning.

I understand that the disciplinary review for certain infractions can take some time, but at least update the yellow card situation.

 

[Fantazma]

ring aint getting one taken out...hes our DM he wont go 5 games without one.....i feel he may be fine against RSL but not against Orlando.....we may lose him for Atlanta game

 

[Gotham Gator]

updated.

 

[Seth]

OK, I have a question. Let's say you have three yellow cards, and in the current game you get two yellows and so are ejected and suspended for the next game (because of the red card). But, since you now have five yellows do you get suspended for an additional game for accumulation? Can't seem to find this in the rules. Same thing with a straight red. Does that add to your accumulation as one card, two cards, not at all because it's a separate thing? This has to have come up in the league before but I can't find any info on it.

 

[Ulrich]

OK, I have a question. Let's say you have three yellow cards, and in the current game you get two yellows and so are ejected and suspended for the next game (because of the red card). But, since you now have five yellows do you get suspended for an additional game for accumulation? Can't seem to find this in the rules. Same thing with a straight red. Does that add to your accumulation as one card, two cards, not at all because it's a separate thing? This has to have come up in the league before but I can't find any info on it.

Here you go (from: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ml...inary-committee-principles-and-parameters?amp
, but it seems the numbering got messed up when I copied/pasted it):

1. Disciplinary Treatment When a Player Receives Two Yellow Cards: If a player receives two cautions in the same match, and then receives supplemental discipline on either caution, he will be suspended one match for the red card (two cautions) plus any additional supplemental discipline issued by the Disciplinary Committee (additional fines and/or suspensions which may be one game or greater).
   • If the player receives an additional suspension as supplemental discipline from the Disciplinary Committee on the first caution, the player will serve a multiple game suspension – one (1) game for the automatic suspension from the second yellow plus additional game(s) from the supplemental discipline issued by the Disciplinary Committee. Neither card will be applied to his Yellow Card Accumulation total.
   • If the player receives an additional suspension as supplemental discipline from the Disciplinary Committee on the second caution, the player will serve a multiple game suspension – one game for the automatic suspension from the second yellow card plus any additional game(s) resulting from the supplemental discipline issued by the Disciplinary Committee. The first yellow card will be applied to his Yellow Card Accumulation total. The second yellow card will not be applied to his Yellow Card Accumulation total.

Seems like this deals more with whether the converted-Red is given additional game bans. I can't figure out if the 2y->R simply counts as a red with no accumulation or if only the first yellow counts towards accumulation with the 2nd Yellow "dismissed" since its already counting as a 1game suspension. The first would obviously be better.

 

[Seth]

I can't figure out if the 2y->R simply counts as a red with no accumulation or if only the first yellow counts towards accumulation with the 2nd Yellow "dismissed" since its already counting as a 1game suspension.

Exactly. It doesn't say if a red or two-yellow suspension is any different from 5-yellow suspension.

 

[Ulrich]

Exactly. It doesn't say if a red or two-yellow suspension is any different from 5-yellow suspension.

I would assume that only the first yellow counts towards accumulation because the letter of the law is that the second yellow-level offense is not technically issued a yellow, but rather a red, and the red is being served as the next-game suspension. If that also counted towards yellow accumulation then it'd be double-dipping/double jeopardy.

 

[mgarbowski]

They make it clear for the playoffs: "In an instance where a player earns two yellow cards in the same match, neither yellow card will count against his playoff yellow card accumulation. This is different from the regular season."
https://www.mlssoccer.com/league/official-rules/competition-rules-and-regulations

Unfortunately, on the same page, where they discuss YC accumulation for the regular season they do not specify how 2 YCs in one game are handled for accumulation purposes. From the above statement re the playoffs at least one of them must count, but whether it is one or both is not stated. I think we're just going to have to wait until the Disciplinary Summary is updated.
https://www.mlssoccer.com/topic/discipline/summary

 

[Seth]

I would assume that only the first yellow counts towards accumulation because the letter of the law is that the second yellow-level offense is not technically issued a yellow, but rather a red, and the red is being served as the next-game suspension. If that also counted towards yellow accumulation then it'd be double-dipping/double jeopardy.

That's fine, so let me modify it a little to adjust to that situation. Let's say you have four yellows coming into a match. You get another yellow, for a total of five, so now you're suspended for the next match. Then you get *another* yellow, so now you have a red and are suspended for the next match. Or you get a straight red instead of a second yellow, more or less the same situation but maybe a little more complicated, actually, as we don't know how many yellows a straight red counts for as far as yellow accumulation goes.

I'm going to guess it's a two match suspension but that just a guess based on nothing. I'm also going to guess that a red counts as two and you'd already have that count against your next accumulation. And by the way this is all Herrera's fault so don't blame me.

 

[Seth]

They make it clear for the playoffs: "In an instance where a player earns two yellow cards in the same match, neither yellow card will count against his playoff yellow card accumulation. This is different from the regular season."
https://www.mlssoccer.com/league/official-rules/competition-rules-and-regulations

Unfortunately, on the same page, where they discuss YC accumulation for the regular season they do not specify how 2 YCs in one game are handled for accumulation purposes. From the above statement re the playoffs at least one of them must count, but whether it is one or both is not stated. I think we're just going to have to wait until the Disciplinary Summary is updated.
https://www.mlssoccer.com/topic/discipline/summary

Hey, looks like Ring is tied for the league lead with 7 yellows. Good job!

 

[Ulrich]

That's fine, so let me modify it a little to adjust to that situation. Let's say you have four yellows coming into a match. You get another yellow, for a total of five, so now you're suspended for the next match. Then you get *another* yellow, so now you have a red and are suspended for the next match. Or you get a straight red instead of a second yellow, more or less the same situation but maybe a little more complicated, actually, as we don't know how many yellows a straight red counts for as far as yellow accumulation goes.

I'm going to guess it's a two match suspension but that just a guess based on nothing. I'm also going to guess that a red counts as two and you'd already have that count against your next accumulation. And by the way this is all Herrera's fault so don't blame me.

MLS stats already has Hererra listed as 4Y/1R, and I don't remember him ever having a red before (am I imagining that?) so it seems it only counted as the next game missed for the red with zero accumulation (or did he have 3Y prior to Chicago?)

 

[Seth]

MLS stats already has Hererra listed as 4Y/1R, and I don't remember him ever having a red before (am I imagining that?) so it seems it only counted as the next game missed for the red with zero accumulation (or did he have 3Y prior to Chicago?)

Hmmm, that's odd. Looks like they're counting that 2nd yellow as a red only and not adding it to his yellow accumulation. Maybe.

So he misses Toronto for the red and comes back for Red Bulls with four yellows. If he gets a yellow in that match then he'll miss LA for accumulation. Still not sure what happens if you get a fifth yellow and then later in the same match you get a straight red. Can't wait to see *that* happen!

 

[Gotham Gator]

Hmmm, that's odd. Looks like they're counting that 2nd yellow as a red only and not adding it to his yellow accumulation. Maybe.

So he misses Toronto for the red and comes back for Red Bulls with four yellows. If he gets a yellow in that match then he'll miss LA for accumulation. Still not sure what happens if you get a fifth yellow and then later in the same match you get a straight red. Can't wait to see *that* happen!

I think this is how it works. I think the excerpt from the Disco rules above implies the same.

 

[Gotham Gator]

Updated for the August 6 victory over the New Jersey Cows.

 

[LionNYC]

Updated for the August 6 victory over the New Jersey Cows.

Villa picked up his fourth vs. RB yesterday and has not received the good behavior reduction yet. He's 5 games away from it.

 

[Gotham Gator]

His game log shows him playing in a 5-game stretch beginning and ending with the two Atlanta games without receiving a Yellow Card.

https://www.nycfc.com/players/1/david-villa

 

[mgarbowski]

Remember when Ring got his 7th Yellow against Vancouver and we all thought he could never get through Toronto/Chicago/Toronto/Red Bulls without getting a suspension for one of those 4 key games? He pulled it off, and without any falloff in efficiency.

 

[Gotham Gator]

Remember when Ring got his 7th Yellow against Vancouver and we all thought he could never get through Toronto/Chicago/Toronto/Red Bulls without getting a suspension for one of those 4 key games? He pulled it off, and without any falloff in efficiency.

I think he's gotten much more efficient w/r/t being effective without incurring the wrath of the PRO staff. One more game to go...

 

[Ulrich]

What's the rule for a "game" without a yellow? One minute? 60min? On the bench available but not used?

If it's one minute or 60 or somewhere in between, I'd really consider either starting White and making him the first sub as a planned tactical change (3 in back) to essentially logs the minutes and protect his slate, or play the 3/RJ and sub him on for just long enough to get the game counted.

Ring is a tougher one because I don't want to pull him and see the game go to hell (like when Maxi was pulled and Toronto equalized). May just need to keep fingers crossed and tell him to keep it in 2nd gear.