However, the sub was going to happen before that tackle anyway (he was getting ready before the tackle)I thought the Sub was more of a reaction to Tinny almost having his ankle broken and Ronny figuring he was going to be off the pace a bit after it so Ibeagha was there to help him out
Tough day to be an Everton and NYCFC fan
I worked today and taped both games. Watched Everton first and was pissed off. Made 4 minutes into NYCFC And just turned it off. No one wants to watch a 10 v 11 for 90 minutes. And that was a straight Red in Columbus too
I feel ya. Spurs fan here. What a trash fire this morning, and I don't even know how it can be fixed.Tough day to be an Everton and NYCFC fan
I’m struck by the contrast with the non-DOGSO call in NSH-ATL. In that game the ref choose no DOGSO based on distance from goal and the possibility that defenders could catch up to the ball. We were just as far from goal and while our other defenders were probably further away there was a chance they could have caught someone who was slowed by controlling the ball.Yes, by the law it's a red. What I don't like is that it's just two guys running for the ball. It reminds me of Ofori's red in the Derby in 2018. Yes, it's a red, but something should be said for intent. Obviously it should be a red based on the laws of the sport, but I think accidental coming togethers like that should be handled a little differently.
I’m struck by the contrast with the non-DOGSO call in NSH-ATL. In that game the ref choose no DOGSO based on distance from goal and the possibility that defenders could catch up to the ball. We were just as far from goal and while our other defenders were probably further away there was a chance they could have caught someone who was slowed by controlling the ball.
So the ref who faced an intentional handball by a losing keeper leans backwards to avoid a red even though a red would have no effect with less than 1 minute left, and our ref leans in to making the first game of the season unwatchable 3 minutes in for an accidental clip. You can’t really say it’s inconsistent because both determinations involve a guess and maybe each official went purely on what he saw. But they don’t feel like a consistent application of judgment and discretion.
>How many points thru the first 5 games this year?
More than last year (4), same or less?
It’s not a red because it wasn’t a goal scoring opportunity- the ball was moving diagonally and not straight in on goal. The player didn’t even have control of the ball, nor had he even touched it, so it’s a stretch to say he had a goal scoring opportunity.Yes, by the law it's a red. What I don't like is that it's just two guys running for the ball. It reminds me of Ofori's red in the Derby in 2018. Yes, it's a red, but something should be said for intent. Obviously it should be a red based on the laws of the sport, but I think accidental coming togethers like that should be handled a little differently.
What’s also interesting regarding DOGSO and intent, is I get the feeling that Willis thought he was the last one. I think in his mind, he thought it would be DOGSO, even though it wasn’t.I’m struck by the contrast with the non-DOGSO call in NSH-ATL. In that game the ref choose no DOGSO based on distance from goal and the possibility that defenders could catch up to the ball. We were just as far from goal and while our other defenders were probably further away there was a chance they could have caught someone who was slowed by controlling the ball.
So the ref who faced an intentional handball by a losing keeper leans backwards to avoid a red even though a red would have no effect with less than 1 minute left, and our ref leans in to making the first game of the season unwatchable 3 minutes in for an accidental clip. You can’t really say it’s inconsistent because both determinations involve a guess and maybe each official went purely on what he saw. But they don’t feel like a consistent application of judgment and discretion.
I’m struck by the contrast with the non-DOGSO call in NSH-ATL. In that game the ref choose no DOGSO based on distance from goal and the possibility that defenders could catch up to the ball. We were just as far from goal and while our other defenders were probably further away there was a chance they could have caught someone who was slowed by controlling the ball.
So the ref who faced an intentional handball by a losing keeper leans backwards to avoid a red even though a red would have no effect with less than 1 minute left, and our ref leans in to making the first game of the season unwatchable 3 minutes in for an accidental clip. You can’t really say it’s inconsistent because both determinations involve a guess and maybe each official went purely on what he saw. But they don’t feel like a consistent application of judgment and discretion.
It’s not a red because it wasn’t a goal scoring opportunity- the ball was moving diagonally and not straight in on goal. The player didn’t even have control of the ball, nor had he even touched it, so it’s a stretch to say he had a goal scoring opportunity.
Tough day to be an Everton and NYCFC fan
I worked today and taped both games. Watched Everton first and was pissed off. Made 4 minutes into NYCFC And just turned it off. No one wants to watch a 10 v 11 for 90 minutes. And that was a straight Red in Columbus too
Really sorry to hear about your mom - all the best.Unfortunately My mom passed away a couple of weeks ago and family friends invited me over for brunch today that I really couldn't turn down to watch soccer so I also dvred the match. I avoided the score and planned to watch the full 90 but as soon as the red card happened fast forwarded for goals / to the end.
One game, and since it wasn't in the playoffs, we move on.
I would disagree that it even constitutes letter of the law, since the Ball was not in an obvious scoring position and the player did not have control of it. However, if we’re playing the game that it did satisfy it, then it’s malpractice that the ref did not issue a straight red with zero hesitation to the hulking Dutchman who two-footed a studs up tackle on Tinny leaving him writhing in pain on the field.I think the red in our game is one of those calls that by the letter of the law is correct, but that also didn't always get called in the past. Previously, a referee might look at the fact that it wasn't a cynical foul - or even an attempt at a tackle. It was just two players getting tangled up. And that referee would often just use discretion and award a yellow instead of a red.
Now, with VAR, there is more of a slavish adherence to the rules and you get a game that sucks and a result that comes down completely to luck. It is what it is. One game, and since it wasn't in the playoffs, we move on.
I'm pretty sure we went all of last year (MLS season at least) without losing a single player minute to red cards. Stuff like this will happen.
And this play kind of reminds me of the New England game at home where the Revs had a player sent off for knocking down Taty as he was running onto a long pass. The situation was a little different, as there was a touch by the defender as Taty was running by. In last year's game, the red was awarded after video review, but PRO came back later and said it should not have been a red.I remember a stretch towards the end of the season where NYCFC had several games where opposing players got red carded (Colorado, NE, SJ?) which did help them take max points and propel them up the table.
Eventually was bound to go the other way, just sucks that it was in the third minute and effectively ended the game. Expecting your team to get a result after they are down for 87 minutes is asking too much in a league where teams are this evenly matched.