Domènec Torrent Appointed NYCFC Head Coach (June '18) / Mutually Agree to Part Ways (November '19)

What Are Your Thoughts on Torrent as NYCFC Head Coach?

  • Quite Really Pleased

    Votes: 8 20.5%

  • Really Pleased

    Votes: 13 33.3%

  • Pleased

    Votes: 16 41.0%

  • Neither Pleased or Displeased

    Votes: 1 2.6%

  • Displeased

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Really Displeased

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Quite Really Displeased

    Votes: 1 2.6%
  • Total voters
    39
Midas Mulligan said:
All in all, I think we probably upgraded from a tactics and coaching chops standpoint.

As others have pointed out, it will be interesting to see how the team responds, though.

Nonetheless, I expect we will see certain players' growth curves really ramp up. I also expect that we will see less of Tommy.

Unlike some portion of folks here (majority?), I don't think PV was that great at man management, and I've never thought our team seemed particularly close.

One thing you can be sure of is that Villa signed off on this hire, and he'll likely play where and when he wants from here out. I don't know if that in itself is good or bad. If it means Berget is mostly a sub, and we start with Villa plus two of three from Lewis, Isi and Medina in the front three, then it's 100% awesome IMO.

I also believe we'll see an improved ability to score through sustained possession. We hardly have ever done that. But now that I think about it, who really does anymore? So maybe it's not that important in today's game, but it would surely be a positive to have that in our locker.
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Makes me wonder though, because it was for Pep and Barcelona that Villa moved out to the left as an inverted winger
 
dummyrun said:
Torrent's employer as of yesterday, for one.
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I considered them, but I actually think relatively speaking that even for "Pepball", the number of passes before goals has diminished a lot from his Barca days. I think MCFC only had like 5 goals after a move of 19 or more passes. At Barca, I'd guess it was far more than that. I don't have the data to answer empirically, though.

And granted, for us, scoring after more than 8-9 might be about about as rare as 19+ for MC. I bet most of our goal moves are 5-7ish, max.
 
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Midas Mulligan said:
I considered them, but I actually think relatively speaking that even for "Pepball", the number of passes before goals has diminished a lot from his Barca days. I think MCFC only had like 5 goals after a move of 19 or more passes. At Barca, I'd guess is was far more than that. I don't have the data to answer empirically, though.

And granted, for us, scoring after more than 8-9 might be about about as rare as 19+ for MC. I bet most of our goal moves are 5-7ish, max.
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I think the fact that you would set the bar at 19 passes says it all when it comes to City. As for us, it's an interesting question—I'll see if I can dig around in the ASA files for some numbers on NYCFC's buildup.
 
dummyrun said:
I think the fact that you would set the bar at 19 passes says it all when it comes to City. As for us, it's an interesting question—I'll see if I can dig around in the ASA files for some numbers on NYCFC's buildup.
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Was the only thing I uncovered after a quick google search. (Opta tweet, I think)

I actually think that a better metric would be passes once ball enters the attacking half (maybe even final third?) on the actual move. Something like that would tell you more about sustained pressure. Kicking the ball between the CBs when they are on their own 18 doesn't mean too much, so that really ought to be controlled for.
 
Midas Mulligan said:
Was the only thing I uncovered after a quick google search. (Opta tweet, I think)

I actually think that a better metric would be passes once ball enters the attacking half (maybe even final third?) on the actual move. Something like that would tell you more about sustained pressure. Kicking the ball between the CBs when they are on their own 18 doesn't mean too much, so that really ought to be controlled for.
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Yeah, that's the disconnect I was talking about. Feels like our tendency is long sequences of own-half possession followed by quick moves toward goal. It's effective enough for MLS but doesn't really map onto the usual possession theory about building a compact counterpressing structure and creating high-quality chances from the top of the box.
 
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