Domènec Torrent Appointed NYCFC Head Coach (June '18) / Mutually Agree to Part Ways (November '19)

[adam]

No, not in a vacuum. Fred’s suggestion was that Dome joining another MLS team means that CFG is a shitshow. My point is that given what we know, this could be a lot about Dome. I believe that it’s likely that he was embarrassed and ashamed that anyone could question his abilities. Even worse in a rec league like MLS. It could have been already over at that point. As I mentioned, CFG likely contributed because they are CFG. But this probably is a lot about Dome.

The Claudio situation has nothing to do with it.

its not strange they both left at the same time, Reyna to another MLS team and maybe Dome too, when they are sitting on one of the best rosters in the league? And about to compete in CCL? And in the largest city/ media market in the country, with world recognition?

 

[JayH]

its not strange they both left at the same time, Reyna to another MLS team and maybe Dome too, when they are sitting on one of the best rosters in the league? And about to compete in CCL? And in the largest city/ media market in the country, with world recognition?

Yeah, I agree, it's a mess. But I look at Dome and Reyna differently based upon what I know about them and what I have seen. I wouldn't be surprised if it was mostly about CFG in Claudio's case, and mostly about Dome in Dome's case. That's my only point.

 

[mgarbowski]

My point was that if he leaves for another MLS job given the commentary about why he left, it means the work situation at NYCFC must really be a shitshow.

I got that. And my point was I don't trust Domé's judgment enough on this decision to take any meaning from it. I thought that was clear but I guess it wasn't.

 

[The Toe]

My thing is: Even if Dome goes to Chicago, he doesn't have any of the talent that we had. I'm not sure there's a single player in Chicago that would start over anyone in our XI. That's a whole season worth of getting bad players to play the most intricate football in the league. I think he'd be a bit of a disaster there. Our whole team basically goes out on international duty, I'm not sure Chicago has more than one or two guys. I'm not sure he'll have the horses to run the system nor the recruitment ability in Chicago to get guys good enough to play it.

 

[mgarbowski]

Yeah, I agree, it's a mess. But I look at Dome and Reyna differently based upon what I know about them and what I have seen. I wouldn't be surprised if it was mostly about CFG in Claudio's case, and mostly about Dome in Dome's case. That's my only point.

I also think that Reyna's departure is more likely to mean something of interest to us as fans of NYCFC than Domé's decision. But even that's not certain. It's incredibly self-centered to assume that anybody else's big decision was driven by the part of their life you care most about.
Maybe Claudio likes building new things more than running established ones. Maybe he learned things while building our academy he would like to try, but he can't at NYCFC because the NYC academy is already on a certain trajectory. Maybe he wants to live somewhere in the US that isn't the northeast for a change. Or it could be a decision driven by his wife or kids.

Meanwhile David Lee has spent 5-6 years as the #2 sporting guy on a club that earned 64 points this year and made the playoffs 4 years in a row. You think he hasn't gotten offers? When retreads like Kreis and Wilmer Cabrera keep getting new jobs, I am 100% certain that David Lee has had offers in MLS, and almost as certain he has had offers elsewhere. But he stayed here. Alexander Ring has committed his life and family for the next few years here and even gave up his international career. Rob Vartughian never leaves no matter who the head coach is. So, what does that prove about NYCFC and CFG? I don't know. All of this stuff is complicated and opaque, which we complain about endlessly, until we want to explain why something controversial happened and suddenly we pretend we know exactly what's going on. It's especially amusing to see people who never gave Torrent an ounce of respect suddenly treat his decision as holy writ because it feeds a narrative.

 

[JayH]

I also think that Reyna's departure is more likely to mean something of interest to us as fans of NYCFC than Domé's decision. But even that's not certain. It's incredibly self-centered to assume that anybody else's big decision was driven by the part of their life you care most about.
Maybe Claudio likes building new things more than running established ones. Maybe he learned things while building our academy he would like to try, but he can't at NYCFC because the NYC academy is already on a certain trajectory. Maybe he wants to live somewhere in the US that isn't the northeast for a change. Or it could be a decision driven by his wife or kids.

Meanwhile David Lee has spent 5-6 years as the #2 sporting guy on a club that earned 64 points this year and made the playoffs 4 years in a row. You think he hasn't gotten offers? When retreads like Kreis and Wilmer Cabrera keep getting new jobs, I am 100% certain that David Lee has had offers in MLS, and almost as certain he has had offers elsewhere. But he stayed here. Alexander Ring has committed his life and family for the next few years here and even gave up his international career. Rob Vartughian never leaves no matter who the head coach is. So, what does that prove about NYCFC and CFG? I don't know. All of this stuff is complicated and opaque, which we complain about endlessly, until we want to explain why something controversial happened and suddenly we pretend we know exactly what's going on. It's especially amusing to see people who never gave Torrent an ounce of respect suddenly treat his decision as holy writ because it feeds their narrative.

Well said.

 

[canchon]

If Dome takes another MLS job after shitting on the league left and right this truly confirms that he left because of the FO.

Atlanta is meanwhile planning to train in Mexico to get prepared for the CCL and NYCFC doesn’t have a coach and sees no urgency in appointing one. Worlds apart.

 

[Kjbert]

I thought Miami was hiring the River Plate coach

 

[ZYanksRule]

If Dome takes another MLS job after shitting on the league left and right this truly confirms that he left because of the FO.

Atlanta is meanwhile planning to train in Mexico to get prepared for the CCL and NYCFC doesn’t have a coach and sees no urgency in appointing one. Worlds apart.

What mgarbowski is saying, and I think there's some merit to it, is that it may not have to do with the front office. It could be as simple as Dome being offended that they were thinking of firing him, so he quit. Knowing how thin-skinned Dome is, that does seem like a strong possibility. He could very well have been wounded by that and decided he didn't want to stick around because of it.

 

[SoupInNYC]

I also think that Reyna's departure is more likely to mean something of interest to us as fans of NYCFC than Domé's decision. But even that's not certain. It's incredibly self-centered to assume that anybody else's big decision was driven by the part of their life you care most about.
Maybe Claudio likes building new things more than running established ones. Maybe he learned things while building our academy he would like to try, but he can't at NYCFC because the NYC academy is already on a certain trajectory. Maybe he wants to live somewhere in the US that isn't the northeast for a change. Or it could be a decision driven by his wife or kids.

Meanwhile David Lee has spent 5-6 years as the #2 sporting guy on a club that earned 64 points this year and made the playoffs 4 years in a row. You think he hasn't gotten offers? When retreads like Kreis and Wilmer Cabrera keep getting new jobs, I am 100% certain that David Lee has had offers in MLS, and almost as certain he has had offers elsewhere. But he stayed here. Alexander Ring has committed his life and family for the next few years here and even gave up his international career. Rob Vartughian never leaves no matter who the head coach is. So, what does that prove about NYCFC and CFG? I don't know. All of this stuff is complicated and opaque, which we complain about endlessly, until we want to explain why something controversial happened and suddenly we pretend we know exactly what's going on. It's especially amusing to see people who never gave Torrent an ounce of respect suddenly treat his decision as holy writ because it feeds a narrative.

I also wouldn't be too surprised if Reyna's move has something to do with just his personal life. He somewhat has a year off now that he can spend a lot of time with Gio. And while he's doing that, he can even be scouting potential targets for Austin. And furthermore, he may just like the challenge of building a roster from nothing.

I don't know if any of the above is true or not, but they are reasonable explanations rather than CFG atrocious. Which, that could also very well be the case. But I haven't seen enough where I can say that for certain.

 

[mgarbowski]

I also wouldn't be too surprised if Reyna's move has something to do with just his personal life. He somewhat has a year off now that he can spend a lot of time with Gio. And while he's doing that, he can even be scouting potential targets for Austin. And furthermore, he may just like the challenge of building a roster from nothing.

I don't know if any of the above is true or not, but they are reasonable explanations rather than CFG atrocious. Which, that could also very well be the case. But I haven't seen enough where I can say that for certain.

Yeah. I'm not completely unconcerned that the head coach and SD left at the same time, but I'm far from certain it means the club is dysfunctional either. There are too many countervailing factors, including the actual record on the field. Now if Orlando had 2 people quit like that, I'd be much more inclined to say that meant something.

 

[Ulrich]

I also think that Reyna's departure is more likely to mean something of interest to us as fans of NYCFC than Domé's decision. But even that's not certain. It's incredibly self-centered to assume that anybody else's big decision was driven by the part of their life you care most about.
Maybe Claudio likes building new things more than running established ones. Maybe he learned things while building our academy he would like to try, but he can't at NYCFC because the NYC academy is already on a certain trajectory. Maybe he wants to live somewhere in the US that isn't the northeast for a change. Or it could be a decision driven by his wife or kids.

Meanwhile David Lee has spent 5-6 years as the #2 sporting guy on a club that earned 64 points this year and made the playoffs 4 years in a row. You think he hasn't gotten offers? When retreads like Kreis and Wilmer Cabrera keep getting new jobs, I am 100% certain that David Lee has had offers in MLS, and almost as certain he has had offers elsewhere. But he stayed here. Alexander Ring has committed his life and family for the next few years here and even gave up his international career. Rob Vartughian never leaves no matter who the head coach is. So, what does that prove about NYCFC and CFG? I don't know. All of this stuff is complicated and opaque, which we complain about endlessly, until we want to explain why something controversial happened and suddenly we pretend we know exactly what's going on. It's especially amusing to see people who never gave Torrent an ounce of respect suddenly treat his decision as holy writ because it feeds their narrative.

I don't think anybody is pretending to know what's going on, but there's a lot of information out in the public realm that allows for fair analysis and criticism.

I'm one of those people that never gave Dome an ounce of respect, until I publicly ate crow on many occasions, but his laying in to MLS and it's arcane rules only to be now reported looking at other offers in MLS is indeed damning. There is no other way to spin that. One doesn't complain about the handcuffs a league places on his ability to perform his job and then entertain taking another position with the same restrictions, unless it wasn't about MLS. We also know that NYCFC has employment NDA's so every comment about MLS could have instead been a veiled comment about NYCFC/CFG - he just happened to snap about the Heber acquisition and say fck-all to the NDA. 4 presidents, 3 coaches, 1 GM in five years is all relevant as they are also all the top people in their respective parts of the org. I believe the head(s) of ticketing/sales has also left. I'm surprised Christopher Jee hasn't popped in with his Occam's Razor remark.

Your last quip about feeding a narrative is ripe considering your second paragraph listed a bunch of various people who have stayed with the club but aren't at the same level on the tree org chart. Why would David Lee have ever gone anywhere else - he's incredibly young, just 10 years out of college, and he's already held the same position of Performance Analyst at three *powerhouse* clubs: Hartpury, Exeter, and RBNJ before joining NYCFC as Director of player recruitment, which is a pretty damn high role based on his early resume; As Reyna's #2, he was next in line to slide up if Reyna's spot was ever vacant, but going to another club doesn't guarantee that ascension. Ring has commented on the lifestyle of the area to raise his family. Vartughian is from Queens so roots. You're right that this is complex and opaque, but there are many reasons others have stayed that have something/nothing to do with the club, but what we know is that there situations aren't comparable to the current two.

 

[sundance]

I also wouldn't be too surprised if Reyna's move has something to do with just his personal life. He somewhat has a year off now that he can spend a lot of time with Gio. And while he's doing that, he can even be scouting potential targets for Austin. And furthermore, he may just like the challenge of building a roster from nothing.

I don't know if any of the above is true or not, but they are reasonable explanations rather than CFG atrocious. Which, that could also very well be the case. But I haven't seen enough where I can say that for certain.

I, too, would like a six- or seven-figure contract that kicks off with a year to chill in Austin

 

[Christopher Jee]

I, too, would like a six- or seven-figure contract that kicks off with a year to chill in Austin

Hold your horses. Losing Dome and Claudio hurt but sundance might be the final straw.

 

[Christopher Jee]

I don't think anybody is pretending to know what's going on, but there's a lot of information out in the public realm that allows for fair analysis and criticism.

I'm one of those people that never gave Dome an ounce of respect, until I publicly ate crow on many occasions, but his laying in to MLS and it's arcane rules only to be now reported looking at other offers in MLS is indeed damning. There is no other way to spin that. One doesn't complain about the handcuffs a league places on his ability to perform his job and then entertain taking another position with the same restrictions, unless it wasn't about MLS. We also know that NYCFC has employment NDA's so every comment about MLS could have instead been a veiled comment about NYCFC/CFG - he just happened to snap about the Heber acquisition and say fck-all to the NDA. 4 presidents, 3 coaches, 1 GM in five years is all relevant as they are also all the top people in their respective parts of the org. I believe the head(s) of ticketing/sales has also left. I'm surprised Christopher Jee hasn't popped in with his Occam's Razor remark.

Your last quip about feeding a narrative is ripe considering your second paragraph listed a bunch of various people who have stayed with the club but aren't at the same level on the tree org chart. Why would David Lee have ever gone anywhere else - he's incredibly young, just 10 years out of college, and he's already held the same position of Performance Analyst at three *powerhouse* clubs: Hartpury, Exeter, and RBNJ before joining NYCFC as Director of player recruitment, which is a pretty damn high role based on his early resume; As Reyna's #2, he was next in line to slide up if Reyna's spot was ever vacant, but going to another club doesn't guarantee that ascension. Ring has commented on the lifestyle of the area to raise his family. Vartughian is from Queens so roots. You're right that this is complex and opaque, but there are many reasons others have stayed that have something/nothing to do with the club, but what we know is that there situations aren't comparable to the current two.

As dedicated fans and not-a-quitters of the club, we can definitely entertain these more complex paths of reasoning. Perhaps we even have to.

But if you had to put money on it mgarbowski

 

[canchon]

“The travel in this league sucks, the roster restrictions suck, playing through int’l break sucks, the schedule sucks...”
“There’s a job open with Chicago”
“Ooh! I’m interested, where do I sign?”

 

[Kjbert]

Claudio is already at work for Austin. No time off

 

[Ulrich]

Claudio is already at work for Austin. No time off

Wonder if Austin plans to sign/place players until next year? If so, there’s a very small window of time for him to capitalize on the data/research he did while at NYCFC..... he’s gotta move now to lock down players he was formerly interested in - much like the hour(s) after Jerry Maguire was fired and his associate took his clients?

 

[mgarbowski]

What does everyone think is a reasonable time for the team to hire a new coach and not have ill effects from this during the offseason? I'm thinking December 1 is a good deadline. Gives the new coach most of the offseason to get his visa and find his assistants, probably is 5-6 weeks away from the start of training camp, and right in the middle of the signing period for new players.

We're getting close. I had wanted it done it 2 weeks and that passed over the weekend. Your reasonable target of end of month, basically 3 weeks, is also close. If it's all Europeans involved both on the decision to hire and as candidates I suppose it could happen over Thanksgiving weekend, but they might hold the announcement until next Monday. If we don't hear something by tomorrow I would expect to wait another week, and if it doesn't happen then, I'm concerned.
Also the longer it takes I think the less likely it is to be GVB.

 

[LionNYC]

We're getting close. I had wanted it done it 2 weeks and that passed over the weekend. Your reasonable target of end of month, basically 3 weeks, is also close. If it's all Europeans involved both on the decision to hire and as candidates I suppose it could happen over Thanksgiving weekend, but they might hold the announcement until next Monday. If we don't hear something by tomorrow I would expect to wait another week, and if it doesn't happen then, I'm concerned.
Also the longer it takes I think the less likely it is to be GVB.

Could the holdup be a visa issue like we have with players?