Education Systems

[Across the Pond]

if i was him i would apprentice in security, they pay alot, i think

Well he wants to do one in accountancy, so he'd get like £200 a week at best which is pretty good for a 16-17 year old.

Can you imagine that though, a 16 year old security guard? Would be pretty funny!

 

[CP_Scouse]

Well he wants to do one in accountancy, so he'd get like £200 a week at best which is pretty good for a 16-17 year old.

Can you imagine that though, a 16 year old security guard? Would be pretty funny!

apprentices get paid?? holy shit. people SOMETIMES get paid for doing something similar, its called internship here, except its not really good or bad for a carrer. i can be an intern at MLS headquarters doing PR stuff, but that would not effect any part of my future carreer, whatever it may be

 

[Across the Pond]

yea. obviously the u.k advances in academic promotion faster than the u.s. but the same concept

apprentices get paid?? holy shit. people SOMETIMES get paid for doing something similar, its called internship here, except its not really good or bad for a carrer. i can be an intern at MLS headquarters doing PR stuff, but that would not effect any part of my future carreer, whatever it may be

You get paid different amounts depending on what you do at each apprenticeship.

Like you mentioned about Internship's, its risky to do them. Sometimes they don't help you at all, and can even hinder you. I'm not considering doing one because It doesn't help my career choice.

EDIT; I don't know why it also quoted the top one too?

 

[CP_Scouse]

You get paid different amounts depending on what you do at each apprenticeship.

Like you mentioned about Internship's, its risky to do them. Sometimes they don't help you at all, and can even hinder you. I'm not considering doing one because It doesn't help my career choice.

EDIT; I don't know why it also quoted the top one too?

lol idk bro. websites can be weird sometimes

 

[Falastur]

The thing you have to remember about apprenticeships is that they're still considered part of the education system. I don't know exactly how they are controlled as they didn't exist when I was in school, but I'd imagine entry into them is guided while you're at school and companies involved in them are pretty much selected and vetted by the government. Internships, on the other hand, are outside of the education system - they are about individuals begging companies for work and the company has all the cards, they can pick the rules. If they want to give you an unpaid internship managing facilities and then with no notice turn it into a waste of time moving files from one set of drawers to another, they can do that, because you're not on contract. Also, if you apply for an internship you're up against hundreds of other people all begging for the same job. Apprenticeships, on the other hand, have been stage-managed to guarantee that there are enough jobs around for everyone to get one.

 

[CP_Scouse]

The thing you have to remember about apprenticeships is that they're still considered part of the education system. I don't know exactly how they are controlled as they didn't exist when I was in school, but I'd imagine entry into them is guided while you're at school and companies involved in them are pretty much selected and vetted by the government. Internships, on the other hand, are outside of the education system - they are about individuals begging companies for work and the company has all the cards, they can pick the rules. If they want to give you an unpaid internship managing facilities and then with no notice turn it into a waste of time moving files from one set of drawers to another, they can do that, because you're not on contract. Also, if you apply for an internship you're up against hundreds of other people all begging for the same job. Apprenticeships, on the other hand, have been stage-managed to guarantee that there are enough jobs around for everyone to get one.

socialism at its finest

 

[NYCFC_Dan]

I live in Florida and we only do 12 years. Don't really count Pre-k but we have 1st - 5th Elemntary 6-8 Middle School and 9-12 high school. Then college.

 

[CP_Scouse]

I live in Florida and we only do 12 years. Don't really count Pre-k but we have 1st - 5th Elemntary 6-8 Middle School and 9-12 high school. Then college.

but then again you guys start in august and end in may, PLUS you guys dont have any regents exams to take

 

[Falastur]

socialism at its finest

Don't worry, there's nothing socialist about how ruthless the job market is in this country right now

 

[NYCFC_Dan]

We have FCAT... Which is the devil.

 

[CP_Scouse]

Don't worry, there's nothing socialist about how ruthless the job market is in this country right now

is it really that bad?

 

[CP_Scouse]

We have FCAT... Which is the devil.

cant be that bad lol. the regents are hard af and unpredictable

 

[Falastur]

is it really that bad?

Circumstances. There are a lot of fields where there's far too many candidates for the jobs, and a lot of people - myself included - fall through the cracks in the system. It can take several years to get into the job that you've qualified for, and so much is weighted on your interview that if you are someone who struggles with interviews - again, like me - then you can spend ages bouncing around on temporary contracts in no-name roles while those who started earlier and may well have less talent build themselves a promising career as their CV (resume) looks more impressive than yours. Still, unemployment is not rampant, and most people get to a job which fits their skillset *eventually*. It just takes a while.

As with most places, if you want to earn top dollar, then as they say "It's not what you know, it's who you know".

 

[CP_Scouse]

As with most places, if you want to earn top dollar, then as they say "It's not what you know, it's who you know".

in the U.S, its more "its not what you know, its where you are". becoming an accountant would probly be easier to do in a smaller town, like that of Tampa Florida, versus New York City. HOWEVER, there are some jobs with infinite places. like teaching, theres a shit ton of school in ny (grammar all the way throuhg high school) and every shcool needs teachers.

 

[Falastur]

in the U.S, its more "its not what you know, its where you are". becoming an accountant would probly be easier to do in a smaller town, like that of Tampa Florida, versus New York City. HOWEVER, there are some jobs with infinite places. like teaching, theres a shit ton of school in ny (grammar all the way throuhg high school) and every shcool needs teachers.

Yeah. To an extent it can be like that here, but since the country is so small you're always within reach of a city if you are willing to accept an hour's commute or so (and by city I mean UK city - in the UK we only have a handful of actual cities, but they all have populations in the hundreds of thousands, so that's a big job market with lots of major national companies). As per the teacher thing, though, the teacher market is too small here because the teaching professional is incredibly regulated. If you even want to teach 5-year olds at primary school level you have to earn a PGCE, which is equivalent to a Masters Degree and requires a high Bachelors pass before you can even be accepted onto the course.

 

[CP_Scouse]

Yeah. To an extent it can be like that here, but since the country is so small you're always within reach of a city if you are willing to accept an hour's commute or so. As per the teacher thing, though, the teacher market is too small here because the teaching professional is incredibly regulated. If you even want to teach 5-year olds at primary school level you have to earn a PGCE, which is equivalent to a Masters Degree and requires a high Bachelors pass before you can even be accepted onto the course.

damn. here you dont need a degree to teach up to eigth grade. i could be a plumber and teach seventh graders if i wanted to. but to teach highschool, you need a masters.

 

[Across the Pond]

The thing you have to remember about apprenticeships is that they're still considered part of the education system. I don't know exactly how they are controlled as they didn't exist when I was in school, but I'd imagine entry into them is guided while you're at school and companies involved in them are pretty much selected and vetted by the government. Internships, on the other hand, are outside of the education system - they are about individuals begging companies for work and the company has all the cards, they can pick the rules. If they want to give you an unpaid internship managing facilities and then with no notice turn it into a waste of time moving files from one set of drawers to another, they can do that, because you're not on contract. Also, if you apply for an internship you're up against hundreds of other people all begging for the same job. Apprenticeships, on the other hand, have been stage-managed to guarantee that there are enough jobs around for everyone to get one.

We've had talks on Apprenticeships recently. You're right in saying that they're levelled, there's three types based on the length of time you partake in them for.

 

[Ahab_Flanders]

damn. here you dont need a degree to teach up to eigth grade. i could be a plumber and teach seventh graders if i wanted to. but to teach highschool, you need a masters.

That's just not true. To be certified to teach any grade you need at least a bachelors, and you need to get a masters within 5 years of your certification.