Jersey postmatch

[Gotham Gator]

I can't wait to get a better view of the two non-PK calls. My personal opinion from watching them live is that the Lewis no-call was close, but probably right, or at least consistent with how these things are usually officiated, which is to require more contact to call a foul in the box. I think the Harrison play should have been a penalty. He did go down a bit easily, but if he had stayed up, the ball was right in front of him for a point blank shot. There was no reason for him to try and draw a penalty in that situation.

 

[SoupInNYC]

I can't wait to get a better view of the two non-PK calls. My personal opinion from watching them live is that the Lewis no-call was close, but probably right, or at least consistent with how these things are usually officiated, which is to require more contact to call a foul in the box. I think the Harrison play should have been a penalty. He did go down a bit easily, but if he had stayed up, the ball was right in front of him for a point blank shot. There was no reason for him to try and draw a penalty in that situation.

I actually have an opposite opinion on both of them, but do need to go back and rewatch.

I thought if Lewis goes down, a penalty is called. The highlights I watched Lalas echoed that as well. The Harrison one was close, but I wasn't sure it was a PK. Reading the comments on one of the MLS pages, someone noted that the PK called in the later SKC-ATL game was an almost identical play to the no-call on Jack however.

 

[Ulrich]

What foul?

The ref was garbage. And can't believe they let Chapman near one of our games. I'm so fed up with PRO refs.

They missed two definite PKs for us. Lewis' arm was grabbed and he was knocked off stride. Doesn't matter if he got the shot off, it's a fouls any day of the year and routinely gets a yellow as a Professional foul for stopping a counter attack.

The second was on Jack. Any ref worth their weight studies the players he'll be ref'ing. Our ref and Chapman should know by now that Jack does not dive, ever, even when he should go down. The fact he was knocked to the ground is enough evidence to know he had no chance to stay up.

The old adage of a ref not wanting to decide a game with a PK is BS, a foul is a foul, and last night we continually got 1v1's so it wasn't as if the takedowns were fluke plays - they were the only way RB could stop us.

 

[tunstallhill]

I also forget to mention....anybody who says "Darby" deserves to be punched, then kicked, right where it hurts most. It's not even a freakin word. It's just how some folks from the British aisle say "Derby", unless your one of those folks from that certain part of that certain Island across the pond, PLEASE SHUT THE FUCK UP OR JUST SAY DERBY. This was really pissing me off all week.
Thanks.

strange thing to get narked about

no one in the british isles pronounces it DER-BY.. everywhere pronounces it DAR-BY. evern the football club Derby County pronounce their name Darby.

just the way it is. i've never heard anyone pronounce it Derby. i'm looking forward to it now

 

[EganSoccerWords]

Now that I am sober and have watch the condensed game again:

• Kinda of sad that we could create a highlight reel of missed PKs. Lewis one was definitely a penalty. Lalas said on the broadcast something along the lines of, "Just because he doesn't fall down doesn't make it not a penalty." Harrison one was more debatable.
• We dominated the scoring chances. Need to covert more of them. Harrison, Lewis, Sweat, and Villa all blew great looks.
• I thought Lewis had a good run out there. He's just not tactically there yet. Someone has to teach him how to dive.
• Our midfield looks so much more dynamic with Ring, Maxi, and Herrera. Had to shout down some we want pirlo chants in my section.
• Thought Brillant was by and far our best backline defender. Callens made some very stupid decisions with the ball. He (Fred) made 10 clearances. He could have reacted a little quicker to the second BWP goal, but that whole sequence started with Callens make a bad pass and getting out of position. Both Sweat and Ring dropped down to cover for him, which opened up the passing lane for BWP.
• Stupid play of the game goes to Okoli dummying a pass with no one behind him. Youre a striker. If someone passes you the ball in the box you shoot it.
• I was a little surprised that PV didn't make Shelton the wingback over Harrison after he took White out.

 

[SoupInNYC]

strange thing to get narked about

no one in the british isles pronounces it DER-BY.. everywhere pronounces it DAR-BY. evern the football club Derby County pronounce their name Darby.

just the way it is. i've never heard anyone pronounce it Derby. i'm looking forward to it now

I think that's his point. That the word spelled DERBY in the british isles is pronounced as DARBY, because thats just how that word is said over there.

But here in the states, the word spelled as DERBY is pronounced as DERBY, so why say DARBY over here, when that doesn't fit how our pronunciations work?

 

[JayH]

I think that's his point. That the word spelled DERBY in the british isles is pronounced as DARBY, because thats just how that word is said over there.

But here in the states, the word spelled as DERBY is pronounced as DERBY, so why say DARBY over here, when that doesn't fit how our pronunciations work?

 

[EganSoccerWords]

I get that everyone is happy after a win but come on. We are a possession team that got out possessed the entire game. We couldn't string passes through Midfield, and we didn't create any decent scoring chances. Villas goals came not from build up or team play, they came from fluky bounces that he turned into something.

Lalas was fine. It is a shame that a team he's credited for possession type play would not be able to hold the ball against the shitty red bulls. If last night is our new style we're the same as every other defend and counter team in MLS.

Harrison, Lewis, Villa, and Sweat all had missed opportunities. Counter is one of the big ways you beat a 3 ATB.

 

[mgarbowski]

strange thing to get narked about

no one in the british isles pronounces it DER-BY.. everywhere pronounces it DAR-BY. evern the football club Derby County pronounce their name Darby.

just the way it is. i've never heard anyone pronounce it Derby. i'm looking forward to it now

I think he meant Americans who affect the UK pronunciation. Which very many do.

 

[SoupInNYC]

Can we all agree to take about an hour break from the forums? You guys aren't letting me get any work done.

 

[mgarbowski]

I can't wait to get a better view of the two non-PK calls. My personal opinion from watching them live is that the Lewis no-call was close, but probably right, or at least consistent with how these things are usually officiated, which is to require more contact to call a foul in the box. I think the Harrison play should have been a penalty. He did go down a bit easily, but if he had stayed up, the ball was right in front of him for a point blank shot. There was no reason for him to try and draw a penalty in that situation.

I actually have an opposite opinion on both of them, but do need to go back and rewatch.

I thought if Lewis goes down, a penalty is called. The highlights I watched Lalas echoed that as well. The Harrison one was close, but I wasn't sure it was a PK. Reading the comments on one of the MLS pages, someone noted that the PK called in the later SKC-ATL game was an almost identical play to the no-call on Jack however.

I'm with Soup. Lewis was a PK. He was pulled from behind. I did think Jack might have gone down a bit easy after seeing Lewis not get the call by not going down. Not a dive, but an attempt to deal with the earlier precedent. But I thought the play on him was valid shoulder to shoulder even if it did knock him down.

 

[Gotham Gator]

• Thought Brillant was by and far our best backline defender. Callens made some very stupid decisions with the ball. He made 10 clearances. He could have reacted a little quicker to the second BWP goal, but that whole sequence started with Callens make a bad pass and getting out of position. Both Sweat and Ring dropped down to cover for him, which opened up the passing lane for BWP.

Agree with this. Callens made some mistakes today. Still a good shift, but Brillant was better.

 

[Tom in Fairfield CT]

Harrison, Lewis, Villa, and Sweat all had missed opportunities. Counter is one of the big ways you beat a 3 ATB.

Not sure where you get that from, but I don't think that's true about 3 man back lines. You counter when you can't or don't want to hold possession.

We didn't play our usual 433, we played a 442 with Jack and Lewis as the wide MFs. They weren't pressing the back line next to Villa. 7 and 10 were the only ones pressing.

Patrick played passively. Like Midas said, that is a valid strategy, especially against a team that usually relies on winning it in chaotic position. However, that strategy would have gotten us beat but for the individual brilliance of Villa. To me, relying on one guy to just win the game for you isn't going to work most of the time.

 

[JayH]

https://twitter.com/x/status/894349151605067781

 

[Gotham Gator]

“I’ll say this, I haven’t talked about the ref one time this year,” Marsch said. “I’m not making excuses, I give New York City credit, OK. But I’ve been on my best behavior from the referee perspective this year. But this one was too much to swallow.”​

https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2017...sse-marsch-hammers-referee-after-derby-defeat

Uh... Jesse... I don't think it was Toledo who served you a big fat one you couldn't choke down...

 

[EganSoccerWords]

Not sure where you get that from, but I don't think that's true about 3 man back lines. You counter when you can't or don't want to hold possession.

We didn't play our usual 433, we played a 442 with Jack and Lewis as the wide MFs. They weren't pressing the back line next to Villa. 7 and 10 were the only ones pressing.

Patrick played passively. Like Midas said, that is a valid strategy, especially against a team that usually relies on winning it in chaotic position. However, that strategy would have gotten us beat but for the individual brilliance of Villa. To me, relying on one guy to just win the game for you isn't going to work most of the time.

3 ATB means you are pushing an extra player forward on offense. It is a higher risk and reward situation because you have one less player back there to defend the counter.

Even if you take out the Villa goals, we created comparatively more chances than the red bulls did. The issue was not create chances, the issue is people not named Villa finishing those chances.You need some more water in your glass my man. We lead the league in expected goals by a sizable margin.

 

[Tom in Fairfield CT]

3 ATB means you are pushing an extra player forward on offense. It is a higher risk and reward situation because you have one less player back there to defend the counter.

Even if you take out the Villa goals, we created comparatively more chances than the red bulls did. The issue was not create chances, the issue is people not named Villa finishing those chances.You need some more water in your glass my man. We lead the league in expected goals by a sizable margin.

I don't mean to be negative I really enjoyed beating those fuckers. I think we have created so many chances playing a certain way, and we changed that, (Patrick) right before an important game. There were no moments last night, other than the goals, that I was like, oh yeah we should score here. Anyone here who thought oh yes, Ben sweat has a shot on goal, we should score here, is on crack.

3 at the back gets you an extra attacker only if you let them have the ball, which we did by not pressing their buildup. Keep them under pressure and its 5 at the back. I hate seeing Patrick get outcoached.

 

[Annagram]

I also forget to mention....anybody who says "Darby" deserves to be punched, then kicked, right where it hurts most. It's not even a freakin word. It's just how some folks from the British aisle say "Derby", unless your one of those folks from that certain part of that certain Island across the pond, PLEASE SHUT THE FUCK UP OR JUST SAY DERBY. This was really pissing me off all week.
Thanks.

That's probably the most stupid thing I've read on this forum.

 

[Gotham Gator]

That's probably the most stupid thing I've read on this forum.

You must have been typing that when the post above yours was made.

I don't mean to be negative I really enjoyed beating those fuckers. I think we have created so many chances playing a certain way, and we changed that, (Patrick) right before an important game. There were no moments last night, other than the goals, that I was like, oh yeah we should score here. Anyone here who thought oh yes, Ben sweat has a shot on goal, we should score here, is on crack.

3 at the back gets you an extra attacker only if you let them have the ball, which we did by not pressing their buildup. Keep them under pressure and its 5 at the back. I hate seeing Patrick get outcoached.

Patrick did not get outcoached, and we did not vary our play as much as you think. All year, we have been perfectly happy to play over the top of defenses that move too many people forward to pressure the ball. NJ play up more than anyone, so when we needed to, or the situation otherwise favored it, we played long.

If we did anything to concede some possession, it is that we kept our fullbacks home more than usual.

I don't think we really intended to concede possession generally. The Red Bulls were just better than last time at sustaining it, and they got to a fair share of 50-50 balls.

We created slightly more quality chances, and that led to the result.

 

[canchon]

44% for a team that wants to have 60%? Not good.

They could have easily played 60%, trying to play across the back or through the crowded midfield, turning the ball over. I cringe thinking of Brilliant whiffing one. But that's playing right into how RBNJ wants you to play.

I think the stat is that RBNJ actually has a better record (much better by far) when they have less possession. They score by giving Klejstan time and space (after a turnover) or by crosses into BWP's excellent movement in the area.

The better chances by far were created by NYCFC, especially in the first half.