I think the majority of supporters have been.
Kreis Officially Out At NYCFC
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Here's the bottom line:
CFG hired a manager who had championships at this level.
CFG fired a manager who left our most exciting attacker on the bench, most consistent midfielder out of position and tactically set us up for success maybe twice all year.
Makes perfect sense to me. Yeah, they fucked us on Lampard. Still pissed about it. But I take this as them treating us like a big club. At a big club, hell - at any club, you have adversity. You can't be a pouty, smug prick about it to the players and media unless you win.
Kreis was not a good fit here. That wasn't changing. I think he was a good hire. I think he was a great fire.
CFG hired a manager who had championships at this level.
CFG fired a manager who left our most exciting attacker on the bench, most consistent midfielder out of position and tactically set us up for success maybe twice all year.
Makes perfect sense to me. Yeah, they fucked us on Lampard. Still pissed about it. But I take this as them treating us like a big club. At a big club, hell - at any club, you have adversity. You can't be a pouty, smug prick about it to the players and media unless you win.
Kreis was not a good fit here. That wasn't changing. I think he was a good hire. I think he was a great fire.
Do you all think CFG knows nothing about soccer? If they watch their coach play aj, grabavoy and wingert all year, them say he wants to build around wingert, do you think they don't know that is dumb?
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This great news Kries was over his head with NYCFC the team never got better. He also played favorites with his RSL cronies.
Good things are coming for NYCFC
Good things are coming for NYCFC
We can dream.
It's the right decision. I just don't think he had the confidence of the playing staff - if he did have a 'vision' for this team, I certainly didn't see much evidence of the players uniting behind it. At least, not on the field, or publicly off it.
Ultimately, he just never convinced me he had the tools to fix the mess here. Whether it was with the veterans he drafted, or with expensively assembled superstars; whether it was do-or-die games, or end of season experimental matches; whether home, or away - can anyone pick out an example of Kreis' tactics, team selection or strategy that screamed yes, this is the man who's going to take us forward?
Ultimately, he just never convinced me he had the tools to fix the mess here. Whether it was with the veterans he drafted, or with expensively assembled superstars; whether it was do-or-die games, or end of season experimental matches; whether home, or away - can anyone pick out an example of Kreis' tactics, team selection or strategy that screamed yes, this is the man who's going to take us forward?
I think he did a poor job and he got screwed over by CFG, mostly by delaying Lampard so much he played less than one-third of the year's games, and making Kreis and Reyna look like plastic figureheads in the process when they forced them to fly to Manchester, just to be told that had to eat the shit sandwich and pretend to like it.
But he was paid well to eat that sandwich, and he messed up so many other things unrelated to the areas where they hamstrung him that I can't say he deserved to stay.
But I'm also not especially encouraged by this. That CFG wants to win has never been reasonably been doubted by anyone with a brain, and is basically a strawman. The question has always been do they have the management smarts and temperament to build a team when spending limitless money is not an option. That they made a poor choice of their first coach is not exactly a point in their favor.
And yes, I've been saying this, complete with the suddenly ubiquitous Steinbrenner references, since January 3:
http://nycfcforums.com/index.php?threads/for-those-considering-leaving.1818/page-2#post-34722
But he was paid well to eat that sandwich, and he messed up so many other things unrelated to the areas where they hamstrung him that I can't say he deserved to stay.
But I'm also not especially encouraged by this. That CFG wants to win has never been reasonably been doubted by anyone with a brain, and is basically a strawman. The question has always been do they have the management smarts and temperament to build a team when spending limitless money is not an option. That they made a poor choice of their first coach is not exactly a point in their favor.
And yes, I've been saying this, complete with the suddenly ubiquitous Steinbrenner references, since January 3:
http://nycfcforums.com/index.php?threads/for-those-considering-leaving.1818/page-2#post-34722
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What section are they in? I'll take your Danbucks, too.
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2. Hughes was there when they got there. Then they hired Mancini (2 trophies) and when he lost the players they hired Pellegrini (2 trophies & counting)
Based on what I saw of the team, I'm going to say "not very". Our best period of form (late May to mid July) happened while he wasn't playing, remember.
The sheer quantity of Grabavoy/Jacobson/Wingert appearances really screwed the team over as the season wore on. I didn't mind the first half of the season while we were still finding our feet, but seriously - I can't remember a single game where people weren't shaking their heads in bewilderment at his line-ups, and that was even when we did have all 3 DPs to pick from.
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Since the takeover 2. Hughes wasn't CFGs signing
I think he lost the locker room a long time ago. That is THE issue behind his firing if you ask me........ At that point he has to go. This can only be seen as a good thing in those terms.
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Please tell me what you Kreis lovers saw that warranted him another year.
His tactics were awful.
His player selection was terrible. Mix as a winger? Poku on the bench? Wingert and Grabavoy playing most the games? COME ON
His in game demeanor was shit. He very rarely cheered when we scored or was upset when we lost. He showed no emotion. I am not saying he needs to be super intense and yelling the whole game, but I can honestly maybe count on one hand the amount of times I have seen him yell at the team trying to provide instruction. At least act like you care!
His preparation was awful. Come on. An 11 game winless streak should never happen no matter who is on your team. 6 points in 6 games against Colorado, Chicago, and Philly.
Multiple blown games where we led because of know tactical adjustments or if he did make adjustments, they were TERRIBLE.
And worst of all to me, he clearly lost the team. He was blaming the struggle on the players at one point. If a coach is blaming the players, in my opinion, it is HIS fault.
All in all, CFG did what they had to do. Kreis is a good coach and can probably find success in a smaller market.
He is not meant for the big time.
His tactics were awful.
His player selection was terrible. Mix as a winger? Poku on the bench? Wingert and Grabavoy playing most the games? COME ON
His in game demeanor was shit. He very rarely cheered when we scored or was upset when we lost. He showed no emotion. I am not saying he needs to be super intense and yelling the whole game, but I can honestly maybe count on one hand the amount of times I have seen him yell at the team trying to provide instruction. At least act like you care!
His preparation was awful. Come on. An 11 game winless streak should never happen no matter who is on your team. 6 points in 6 games against Colorado, Chicago, and Philly.
Multiple blown games where we led because of know tactical adjustments or if he did make adjustments, they were TERRIBLE.
And worst of all to me, he clearly lost the team. He was blaming the struggle on the players at one point. If a coach is blaming the players, in my opinion, it is HIS fault.
All in all, CFG did what they had to do. Kreis is a good coach and can probably find success in a smaller market.
He is not meant for the big time.
I was on team Kreis-for-two-seasons for a while, but by the end of the season there were too many signs that something was way off with him. Forget about the lineup moves, his sound bytes, sometimes direct and sometimes passive aggressive, were baffling yet telling and suggested someone who had lost the team and someone who was at odds with ownership. That is a sinking ship, not someone who will be able to right the ship. I suspect it was really bad. This is not about disappointment for not reaching a goal, this is disposing of a situation which was not fixable.
Your argument was fairly reasonable until the quip about Manchester City not being able to sustain the success because they only "spend limitless money". They have invested heavily in the playing staff in the same way every big club before them had—it was the only way to break the cabal. But they then spent more on upgrades to an already storied youth academy and the revitalisation of an economically depressed area of Manchester than MLS has on football stadiums in the whole of the US with a view to producing world class talent that will either play for the first team or a first team elsewhere for a tidy transfer fee.
The baseball reference is all well in good (though, I do not understand it, unsuprisingly) but you look silly when you tread upon subjects you know little about.
CFG is in NYC to build a sustainably dominant football team and has the knowhow to do it. Anyone that thinks they are two bit players that do not understand the business are laughably mistaken.
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Yep, that's pretty much me as well. I'm not really that fussed that we didn't reach the playoffs; I wasn't really expecting it from an expansion team. However, his line-ups got more and more awful and the performances became more and more insipid to the point that I just completely lost faith. His seeming apathy to it all was the last straw for me.
When Petke was fired by the Red Bulls everyone ripped the management, but the Marsch hiring has turned out fine.
Whoever NYCFC hire next is not guaranteed to be a complete turd.
However, I feel like Kreis was really dealt an unfair hand this season. CFG made constant roster adjustments and as a result Kreis never had a stable group of guys to work with each week. So as a coach what are you supposed to do really when new guys show up every other week or guys are constantly injured?
If I was GM I would have kept Kreis for at least another season. To build the guy up as the tactical visionary for NYCFC, send him over to Manchester to learn and then fire him after one season where he was given scrub players -- and throw him under the bus in the press release too -- makes NYCFC look really stupid.
You can have high expectations and that's great, but you have to have a level head about what it takes to reach those expectations. And right now it doesn't look like CFG has that.
Whoever NYCFC hire next is not guaranteed to be a complete turd.
However, I feel like Kreis was really dealt an unfair hand this season. CFG made constant roster adjustments and as a result Kreis never had a stable group of guys to work with each week. So as a coach what are you supposed to do really when new guys show up every other week or guys are constantly injured?
If I was GM I would have kept Kreis for at least another season. To build the guy up as the tactical visionary for NYCFC, send him over to Manchester to learn and then fire him after one season where he was given scrub players -- and throw him under the bus in the press release too -- makes NYCFC look really stupid.
You can have high expectations and that's great, but you have to have a level head about what it takes to reach those expectations. And right now it doesn't look like CFG has that.
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He was there after the takeover even if they didn't hire him, Man City have had three managers since the takeover.
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