MLS and Apple Broadcasting Deal

The only possible flaw in your position is regarding the Apple opt-out clause. We don't necessarily know if it was an unrestricted option, or a benchmark based option that could have been subjected to litigation.

If there was a threshold to be met, MLS could have sued and claimed Apple limited subscriptions by various means. Apple could have wanted out, but both sides compromised to avoid legal uncertainty.

Just a theory.
As background to the X discussion, I originally responded to the MLS Moves account which I have since muted. It sometimes has info on deals but I can get that here and his takes on other MLS-related topics are tiresome. Re the Apple deal, he's been saying for 3 years that it's a disaster and has few viewers and losing money. There's no evidence for this. There's also no public evidence for the opposite. We don't know, which allows for speculation but not the unfounded assertions of certainty which he keeps making. It's fair not to trust the vague viewership assurances occasionally shared by Apple or MLS, but he's the type to assert with confidence that they're lying. It's clear that he simply hates the experience. Which is his prerogative. Some people hate Apple, or prefer cable, or hate streaming, or whatever. But just because they prefer a different option is not evidence that the deal is not working, and a fair number of online people have been making the same evidence free claims. It's very tiresome.

This weekend, he just kept posting that the deal revision proved that Apple is losing money and wants out. When at least a dozen people respond with points similar to mine, he just makes a new post saying the same thing. No evidence and no reasoning. Just conclusions. It's tedious.

On the other hand, you came up with a theory for why Apple might not be happy, and also acknowledge you don't really have evidence. It was speculation that's both thoughtful, interesting and worth my time to consider! That's something MLS Moves can't provide.

WRT your theory, I guess it could be so. I think I read it's a buyout, which would imply a fixed cost. If so, and the buyout price is not worth paying then Apple is not doing so bad. If as you theorize it is not a pure option but has triggers and if Apple is not confident that thee trigger items are not met, then IMO its probably not doing so bad on that account. But these are probablies based on my judgment and maybe I'm wrong.

Playing steel-man against myself, I can make a case that maybe MLS wants out that I think is more plausible than Apple does. MLS had no 2027 option and so moving the deal termination to 2029 from 2032 could mean it was the one pushing for an earlier exit. Maybe it's disappointed with the walled garden, and that's also why it's agreeing with Apple to open it up somewhat. OTOH it might be that MLS wants out because, ironically, the deal worked pretty damn well such that MLS believes it now has confidential streaming subscription and viewership data that it can use to get more money when the deal ends. I don't know if either scenario is true, but IMO they're more plausible than the nonsense MLS Moves is peddling.
 
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As background to the X discussion, I originally responded to the MLS Moves account which I have since muted. It sometimes has info on deals but I can get that here and his takes on other MLS-related topics are tiresome. Re the Apple deal, he's been saying for 3 years that it's a disaster and has few viewers and losing money. There's no evidence for this. There's also no public evidence for the opposite. We don't know, which allows for speculation but not unfounded assertions of certainty which he keeps making. It's fair not to trust the vague viewership assurances occasionally shared by Apple or MLS, but he's the type to assert with confidence that they're lying. It's clear that he simply hates the experience. Which is his prerogative. Some people hate Apple, or prefer cable, or hate streaming, or whatever. But just because they prefer a different option is not evidence that the deal is not working, and a fair number of online people have been making the same evidence free claims. It's very tiresome.

This weekend, he just kept posting that the deal revision proved that Apple is losing money and wants out. When at least a dozen people respond with points similar to mine, he just makes a new post saying the same thing. No evidence and no reasoning. Just conclusions. It's tedious.

On the other hand, you came up with a theory for why Apple might not be happy, and also acknowledge you don't really have evidence. It was speculation that's both thoughtful, interesting and worth my time to consider! That's something MLS Moves can't provide.

WRT your theory, I guess it could be so. I think I read it's a buyout, which would imply a fixed cost. If so, and the buyout price is not worth paying then Apple is not doing so bad. If as you theorize it is not a pure option but has triggers and if Apple is not confident that thee trigger items are not met, then IMO its probably not doing so bad on that account. But these are probablies based on my judgment and maybe I'm wrong.

Playing steel-man against myself, I can make a case that maybe MLS wants out that I think is more plausible than Apple does. MLS had no 2027 option and so moving the deal termination to 2029 from 2032 could mean it was the one pushing for an earlier exit. Maybe it's disappointed with the walled garden, and that's also why it's agreeing with Apple to open it up somewhat. OTOH it might be that MLS wants out because, ironically, the deal worked pretty damn well such that MLS believes it now has confidential streaming subscription and viewership data that it can use to get more money when the deal ends. I don't know if either scenario is true, but IMO they're more plausible than the nonsense MLS Moves is peddling.

I wonder how much the Messi extension has to do with this. Messi just extended through 2028. So now Apple gets the rights to the 2028 Messi farewell tour, and they get a year to see what viewership looks like in a post-Messi MLS before they have to head back to the negotiating table.
 
I wonder how much the Messi extension has to do with this. Messi just extended through 2028. So now Apple gets the rights to the 2028 Messi farewell tour, and they get a year to see what viewership looks like in a post-Messi MLS before they have to head back to the negotiating table.
That being said, a new deal would likely be negotiated during the 2028/29 season and announced well before the 2029/30 season.
 
Doesn't matter if the MLS deal loses money as far as Apple is concerned. Seeing as how they're one of the wealthiest companies in the world, if not the wealthiest, the amount would be the tiniest asterisk in their budgets. What Apple gets from the deal, and from their brief bit of Friday night baseball too, is a toe into the sports waters. And now they have F1 as well.

Apple invests long-term. MLS and F1 are safe and easy, as least as far as the US is concerned, and who knows, by the mid 2030s we may be watching an Olympics on Apple. And then down the road perhaps MLB and the NFL. Bottom line is that Apple tends to have 20-year plans, not two-year plans. MLS was probably just a first test for them, and I don't see any need for them to abandon it.

Money is not an issue for Apple. They could have <bought> the entire league if they felt like it, not just the broadcast rights.
 
NBC has the Olympic rights through 2036. The first Olympics possibly not on NBC would be the 2038 Winter Olympics.
Although I was just kinda tossing the Olympics out there as something I could see Apple doing those dates do not seem like a problem to me at least as far as Apple's planning might go. Can you imagine the boost that would give Apple TV if they got the Olympics? Would be massive. Can totally see them doing it.
 
For those wondering about how appleTV subscriptions would be handled. Just got an email today about it and i'm not even a STH anymore.

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The monthly price is $12.99, which is $155.88/year.
which is weird from the club's financial perspective because if you're getting the season ticket, you'd assume the club would be "comp"ing the 1-year deal rather than the month-by-month deal... but it sounds like the other way around?
 
which is weird from the club's financial perspective because if you're getting the season ticket, you'd assume the club would be "comp"ing the 1-year deal rather than the month-by-month deal... but it sounds like the other way around?

the more likely reasons are they were lazy and only looked up the monthly rate to write their email and/or wanted to make it sound more valuable by quoting the higher number.

They also say that you can do family sharing of the Apple TV membership, which might be more.

If i recall correctly, family share is free up to a certain number of people similar to YoutubeTV.
 
I’m surprised that the club and Apple TV aren’t paying for only the 9 months that the season is on and then drops us for the off season. /s
And they turn off the membership during the new winter breaks.
 
Do we know if t-mobile will be doing the tuesday deal again? I only see from late january last year - so I'll assume not until they announce it.
Last year I think there were no clues until day of in February.
Confounding factor this time is the switch to AppleTV
 
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