MLS - May 17 - Red Bulls (CF)

[ZYanksRule]

From the infamous Red Wedding to last year's playoff showdown, the battle for New York has turned red more often than not.

But the blue side of this rivalry has the ultimate bragging rights, with NYCFC winning MLS Cup 2021 on penalty kicks. Conversely, RBNY have twice come painstakingly close to lifting the Philip F. Anschutz Trophy – falling in MLS Cup 2024 and MLS Cup 2008.

Before trophies get awarded this season, it's all about capturing momentum. RBNY lean on their one-two punch of Bundesliga veterans Emil Forsberg and Eric Maxim Choupo-Moting, while Costa Rican international Alonso Martínez spearheads the NYCFC attack as a Golden Boot presented by Audi contender.

Series record: New York Red Bulls lead 16W-10L-4D

This definitely feels like it was written with some Red Bulls bias. Why bring up that we won the MLS Cup on Penalty kicks? And "painstakingly close", really?

If you remove the non-MLS regular season games (1 playoff game, 3 U.S. Open Cup games, and 1 Leagues Cup game; 4 of 5 were away), the record is Red Bulls 11W, NYCFC 10W, 4D.

And if you remove the 7-0 game from that, it's 10-10-4.

Unfortunately, you can't just remove all the games we've lost to them because it fits your narrative. They have pantsed us more often than not in games that matter most. They've eliminated us from knockout competitions, they've embarrassed us in our home field, and the only thing we have over them is MLS Cup, which we did win in penalties.

The rivalry hasn't been as one-sided in recent years -- we had our blowout win, we've won a few times at their place, and we had the regular-season series sweep in 2022. But the Red Bulls have unquestionably had the better moments in the rivalry over the years.

 

[LionNYC]

And if you remove the 7-0 game from that, it's 10-10-4.

Unfortunately, you can't just remove all the games we've lost to them because it fits your narrative. They have pantsed us more often than not in games that matter most. They've eliminated us from knockout competitions, they've embarrassed us in our home field, and the only thing we have over them is MLS Cup, which we did win in penalties.

The rivalry hasn't been as one-sided in recent years -- we had our blowout win, we've won a few times at their place, and we had the regular-season series sweep in 2022. But the Red Bulls have unquestionably had the better moments in the rivalry over the years.

The 5-1 win at RBA maybe approaches the 0-7 status since we got to lift the Hudson River Derby Cup on their field.

 

[FootyLovin]

The 5-1 win at RBA maybe approaches the 0-7 status since we got to lift the Hudson River Derby Cup on their field.

I mostly agree with ZYanksRule . But I also think it is not cherry picking to start the clock sometime into our expansion. After year 1 kicks 3 regular season losses off the record. Start after 18 months and you kick off the Red Wedding. Maybe the 18 month mark is cherry picking. But I’ve always felt it was pretty fair to ignore our expansion year in comparing records. That said, while it closes the W/L gap to 13-10, it still leaves the comparison of Red Wedding and multiple knockouts against our MLS Cup win that bypassed them.

 

[joe]

I mostly agree with ZYanksRule . But I also think it is not cherry picking to start the clock sometime into our expansion. After year 1 kicks 3 regular season losses off the record. Start after 18 months and you kick off the Red Wedding. Maybe the 18 month mark is cherry picking. But I’ve always felt it was pretty fair to ignore our expansion year in comparing records. That said, while it closes the W/L gap to 13-10, it still leaves the comparison of Red Wedding and multiple knockouts against our MLS Cup win that bypassed them.

Anything after the expansion season is cherry picking. Aside from excluding year one as a general principal, NYCFC finished second in the east in 2016.

There are definitely times when looking at non-regular season only makes sense, but of course we come out worse on that end.

My opinion is correct and no reasonable person can possibly disagree

 

[FootyLovin]

Anything after the expansion season is cherry picking. Aside from excluding year one as a general principal, NYCFC finished second in the east in 2016.

There are definitely times when looking at non-regular season only makes sense, but of course we come out worse on that end.

My opinion is correct and no reasonable person can possibly disagree

Ultimately, even though I think skipping expansion year makes sense, all of these rivalry reviews will simply count from the start because why not? Beyond that they'll look for storylines - Red Wedding, record in elimination games, trophy comparison, any recent trend. All fair game.

 

[Kenny]

I returned my ticket for credit. My son is coming into town for a few days. Last time he was in we went to the home opener vs. Orlando, which was fun. But this one... We decided to diversify and spend the day out and about the City doing other things. My gut feeling is it will be a better way to spend the day than watch paint dry our offense try for another 90 minutes to score a goal and ultimately draw/lose to Jersey.

 

[moogoo]

I returned my ticket for credit. My son is coming into town for a few days. Last time he was in we went to the home opener vs. Orlando, which was fun. But this one... We decided to diversify and spend the day out and about the City doing other things. My gut feeling is it will be a better way to spend the day than watch paint dry our offense try for another 90 minutes to score a goal and ultimately draw/lose to Jersey.

it's very sad that this is the attitude we have toward this team for a derby game. but it's perfectly understandable. very hard to get hyped when we are struggling so much.

 

[LionNYC]

watch paint

The tifo (if the unveiling and wind are okay) will be incredible.

 

[Gotham Gator]

This is a good one. I think I got 3/4.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1923446349456183581

 

[canchon]

Allen Chapman is the ref? Pencil in that L.

 

[GratefulDawg]

So how many RB supporters won't be making it due to the NJ Transit strike?

 

[moogoo]

So how many RB supporters won't be making it due to the NJ Transit strike?

path train is run by port authority.

so unless they need to take NJT to get to the path station, it shouldn't affect them.

i'm more worried about whether our best performing team will show up than away supporters.

 

[LionNYC]

No complaints that I still remember about Chapman from the playoff game. He did let the goal stand during the COVID front match at RBA, aka goal line gate, in a 1-0 loss.

Maybe a good omen for tomorrow, saw someone wearing an orange NYCFC jacket in the Meatpacking District today

 

[Gotham Gator]

No complaints that I still remember about Chapman from the playoff game. He did let the goal stand during the COVID front match at RBA, aka goal line gate, in a 1-0 loss.

Maybe a good omen for tomorrow, saw someone wearing an orange NYCFC jacket in the Meatpacking District today

Yeah, I forgot about that. I don’t think he let it stand. I think he supported a VAR overturn. Terrible call.

But he’s reffed the match since then and was fine.

Let’s hope we don’t have to add to this thread tomorrow night.

Thread 'Allen Chapman is Crap - Let's Discuss Why'

Jul 23, 2017

Let's discuss all the utterly horrible and even moderately questionable calls he blew in yesterday's game. And, let's be fair and point out any that went in our favor (assuming there were any).

- First Yellow on Herrera
- Second Yellow on Herrera (actually didn't find this one too outrageous)
- No penalty call in Herrera's favor
- Villa thrown down by blow to the head, no card
- Yellow card to Johnson for time wasting when he couldn't even get the ball for a goal kick
- Numerous examples of opportunistic Chicago fouls not getting carded

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[moogoo]

no parks, no party

 

[LionNYC]

And W Hoboken hotel color is red tonight. That’s not good.

 

[Kenny]

Keaton Parks out. Have we ever scored a goal when he’s not on the field?

Time to start Maximo? I thought he looked good on Wednesday

 

[Gotham Gator]

Should we view the match about to kick off between Dortmund and Holstein Kiel as a proxy that perhaps foreshadows today’s match?

Reyna on the bench for Dortmund. Tolkien starts for HK.

 

[KevinJRogers]

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Not good. And just imagine where we'd be with those three guys healthy and fit.

Should we view the match about to kick off between Dortmund and Holstein Kiel as a proxy that perhaps foreshadows today’s match?

VfB is in Leipzig for the last league match of the year. I get a bellyful of Red Bull today. I already feel like I'm going to puke, and it's not the chemo.

 

[KevinJRogers]

Keaton Parks out. Have we ever scored a goal when he’s not on the field?

Time to start Maximo? I thought he looked good on Wednesday

Interesting thought. He's so young, but still, so is Jonny and look what he's done. And watching Maximo at the Deuce, the dude can be downright unstoppable sometimes. Greased lightning.

We need some movement in the middle of the pitch. Anything to unbalance defenses. Right now, opponents can set up and just wait for us to come and kill us as we scale the ramparts.