NYCFC Academy - General Discussion

Really happy to see that we have at least one stud in the academy. Unfortunately though, it appears as though everyone is talking about him as if he's already gone. Is it a forgone conclusion that he'll bolt to Europe before ever even playing a game for NYC?

Also, if you had to rank a top-3 or so kids behind Reyna, who would it be? Just wondering who I should start to familiarize myself with.
 
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I'm not sure this is true. I am pretty certain that the UK does not have unrestricted birthright citizenship as we do here. FWIW, Wikipedia says that to qualify, a child born in the UK must have one parent who is either a citizen, or is "settled" in the UK. It goes on to say that
Settled' status usually means the parent is resident in the UK or a British Overseas Territory and has the right of abode (or similar status), or holds Indefinite Leave to Remain (ILR), or is the citizen of an EU/EEA country and has permanent residence, or otherwise unrestricted by immigration laws to remain in the UK or that Overseas Territory.​
Maybe Claudio or his wife had "Settled" status while he played over there and Jr. is a citizen and has or could get a passport. But do we know that? For all I know Claudio had a temporary work visa and had to leave the country once he no longer was employed as a footballer in the UK (ie he did not have indefinite right of residency).

You're right that UK citizenship law says you only qualify for citizenship by birth if one of your parents is already a citizen. However, it's more than that when talking about playing for a national team. The UK Home Nations FAs (i.e. all of the different Associations inside the UK) have a written agreement between themselves that they can only use players for national team games who were born British, or who have at the very least a British grandparent. They expressly are forbidden from calling up a player who has himself naturalised and accepted British citizenship at a later point in his life, as the Home Nations view this as essentially cheating and skipping the requirement for national teams to raise their own talent, though they only hold themselves to this rule and not anyone else.

In fact it's more than that - they can only recruit people whose British heritage relates to the area of the UK the team represents. If Gio was born British then he could play for England or Scotland, because his dad lived ("settled", as you say) in both of those countries, but he couldn't represent Wales or Northern Ireland because no Reyna has ever lived there, even though legally citizenship does not distinguish.

I recall a few years ago all this became a particularly big story when England was reportedly considering trying to persuade Mikel Arteta and Manuel Almunia to take British citizenship to play for the national side - Scotland promptly stepped in and threatened to report them to FIFA for breaking the Home Nations agreement, which nixed the whole plan. There also tends to be much tutting and irritation when, say, a Welsh player opts to play for England just because his grandma was English, with the (say) Welsh FA generally believing that the player should consider him Welsh and nothing else.

At the end of the day, let's just say that it's highly unlikely Gio will ever play for a British side, so don't worry about him defecting from the US.
 
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You're right that UK citizenship law says you only qualify for citizenship by birth if one of your parents is already a citizen. However, it's more than that when talking about playing for a national team. The UK Home Nations FAs (i.e. all of the different Associations inside the UK) have a written agreement between themselves that they can only use players for national team games who were born British, or who have at the very least a British grandparent. They expressly are forbidden from calling up a player who has himself naturalised and accepted British citizenship at a later point in his life, as the Home Nations view this as essentially cheating and skipping the requirement for national teams to raise their own talent, though they only hold themselves to this rule and not anyone else.

In fact it's more than that - they can only recruit people whose British heritage relates to the area of the UK the team represents. If Gio was born British then he could play for England or Scotland, because his dad lived ("settled", as you say) in both of those countries, but he couldn't represent Wales or Northern Ireland because no Reyna has ever lived there, even though legally citizenship does not distinguish.

I recall a few years ago all this became a particularly big story when England was reportedly considering trying to persuade Mikel Arteta and Manuel Almunia to take British citizenship to play for the national side - Scotland promptly stepped in and threatened to report them to FIFA for breaking the Home Nations agreement, which nixed the whole plan. There also tends to be much tutting and irritation when, say, a Welsh player opts to play for England just because his grandma was English, with the (say) Welsh FA generally believing that the player should consider him Welsh and nothing else.

At the end of the day, let's just say that it's highly unlikely Gio will ever play for a British side, so don't worry about him defecting from the US.

Good stuff. So, the possibility that a U.K. passport leads to a defection from the USNNT is small. However, the possibility that it facilitates a defection from NYC???
 
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I'm sure we've talked about this before, but can someone remind me as to whether or not we can bring in kids to the Academy that are foreigners? I know we have an expansive territory to draw from, but what if there are kids in Argentina, Mexico, Honduras that we scout? Can they join? It happens abroad I believe, right?
 
I'm sure we've talked about this before, but can someone remind me as to whether or not we can bring in kids to the Academy that are foreigners? I know we have an expansive territory to draw from, but what if there are kids in Argentina, Mexico, Honduras that we scout? Can they join? It happens abroad I believe, right?
I believe their family has to live within our zonal radius. But don't quote me on that. This could mean that they don't currently live within a different MLS clubs sphere and then the family moves to NYC, then the kid can attend. (I.e. We are not a boarding school.)
 
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I believe their family has to live within our zonal radius. But don't quote me on that. This could mean that they don't currently live within a different MLS clubs sphere and then the family moves to NYC, then the kid can attend. (I.e. We are not a boarding school.)

Rule: A club may sign a player to his first professional contract without subjecting him to the MLS SuperDraft if the player has been a member of a club’s youth academy for at least one year and has met the necessary training and retention requirements.

Radius: 75-mile radius from 1 E 161st St, Bronx, NY 10451, excluding a 25-mile radius from from 1 Stadium Drive Chester, PA. That's the rule for homegrown
 
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OK - but that doesn't answer the question about them joining the Academy. If they come from Costa Rica, become part of our Academy for one year - then we can sign them to a HG deal?

Sounds like we need a school like the Union have. We should recruit the shit out of South America for 14-17 year olds to join the Academy.
 
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OK - but that doesn't answer the question about them joining the Academy. If they come from Costa Rica, become part of our Academy for one year - then we can sign them to a HG deal?

Sounds like we need a school like the Union have. We should recruit the shit out of South America for 14-17 year olds to join the Academy.

I'm sure Claudio Reyna can make a call to Horace Mann or another school in the city. Or Sheik Mansour can make a donation on the parents' behalf. Obviously these schools want diversity.

The real issue is that if they don't have a green card they would still be take up an international spot. Likely why homegrowns aren't recruited internationally.
 
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I'm sure Claudio Reyna can make a call to Horace Mann or another school in the city. Or Sheik Mansour can make a donation on the parents' behalf. Obviously these schools want diversity.

The real issue is that if they don't have a green card they would still be take up an international spot. Likely why homegrowns aren't recruited internationally.

Get a immigration attorney for the parents and green cards through labor certification. There must be jobs at NYCFC that no one else can fill ;)
 
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I'm sure Claudio Reyna can make a call to Horace Mann or another school in the city. Or Sheik Mansour can make a donation on the parents' behalf. Obviously these schools want diversity.

The real issue is that if they don't have a green card they would still be take up an international spot. Likely why homegrowns aren't recruited internationally.
Seems weird that you could be both homegrown *and* international at the same time, no? Because MLS, I suppose.
 
Seems weird that you could be both homegrown *and* international at the same time, no? Because MLS, I suppose.
Isn't that going to change soon, so that Canadians can count as non internationals for US based MLS teams?
 
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Finally catching up on the Venezuela matches at the U-20 World Cup.

Watching Herrera in his age group makes it clear why CFG wanted him. I view him in the same light now as a Patrick Roberts. He probably needs 3-4 years to break through but he controls the entire game from Central Midfield.

Speaking of these matches, do we have a Scout here? Do we rely on CFG to do all of our scouting?