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If you are a fan of Robbie keane, Gerrard, Dos Santos, Galaxy or seeing Villa explode on his teammates.
Nycfc V Galaxy - Postgame & Player Ratings
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If you want to be in a good mood, don't do it to yourself.
I'm not too fazed by yesterday. I knew we couldn't hang against the Galaxy, that we would get ran through so it's just whatever. Sure it hurts to see it happen, to identify exactly what we could have done differently, where things went wrong and how we could have been better had we taken our chances but we just gotta look to the next game and build on it.
As for Villa's comments, he's partially right but he should shut his yap because his attempt to do fancy bullshit led to the turnover that cost us 2 pts in Columbus. His silly foul also led to the Galaxy's first goal. Let me not talk about his ball hogging and losses. As the captain, you can call out your teammates in the locker room, not to the media and you can't speak in "I"s.
Silver lining, yesterday's humiliation embarasses CFG enough that they get their shit together and that the next group of DPs arent 35+ and all show up on time.
You can watch it to see what the best MLS has to offer. You can watch it to see how the league caters to LA. They made up a rule so they could add Giovani Dos Santos to their already star studded team.
Keane, Gerrard, Dos Santos.
Lletget Zardes, Robbie Rogers and Omar Gonzalez. Juninho
That team is ridiculous.
Keane, Gerrard, Dos Santos.
Lletget Zardes, Robbie Rogers and Omar Gonzalez. Juninho
That team is ridiculous.
Reckon my voting of 3's & 4's was a tad different from what others saw.
It's pretty much how I scored it, especially for the two fullbacks.
Meanwhile, here's how one of the English tabloids saw it.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...even-Gerrard-Robbie-Keane-dominate-hosts.html
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He isn't a striker though...
Please include MacNamara on this list.
Can't do that he is too inconsistent to be a lock starter.
We have one more loss/tie result coming on Saturday. Then we start our seven game win streak to end the year and take our place in the playoffs.
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You are right Tom, but MLS knows what it is doing. To eventually get to where we all want to get to, regarding MLS as whole, this league needs 1 or 2 teams like the Galaxy. Next step is for a team like the Galaxy to win CCL, and I fully expect this team, if healthy, to fight for the CCL till the very end. Will they win it? Who knows, but I hope they do. I also fully expect NYCFC to be one of the top teams, consistently over the next few years, once we get all of the dead weight from the expansion draft off the team, and provide some real support and real depth, to guys like Villa and whoever else we bring in after Pirlo and Lampard leave.
I have hopes we can do this eventually, but what is the path to doing it in "the next few years?" Our Academy is currently only up to the U-13/14 level. Frankly I'm expecting mediocre to good from this team for the next 3-4 years. If we could do more than that in that time frame I will be very pleasantly surprised.
I don't know why everyone is flipping out over this loss. The Galaxy were better than everyone else before they got Dos Santos. They crush everyone. We actually hung in there for a while. This was a guaranteed loss. You really can't make judgments on the team based on this.
Let's win this week at home v columbus and start a winning streak.
Let's win this week at home v columbus and start a winning streak.
I agree with you Tom. However, while I'm not exactly flipping out, I am a bit shocked and dismayed at the score line or rather what the score line really should have been. That was as complete a dismantling of a football team as you'll ever likely see. The second half of the second half they were just toying with us. That one breakaway between Keane and Gerrard was so embarrassing because they were trying to literally walk the ball into the goal. It could have easily been 8 or 9 for LA.
It was 2-0 when #TheGenius subbed off two of our best players for two of our worst. No team finishes all its chances, we had a few close ones too. We were overmatched on talent, and LA has the best coach in MLS and has played together for a long time. Lose 1-0 or 5-1, doesn't really matter. We don't have to be better than LA this season, just better than four eastern conference teams.
I think this is it, combined with the fact that we have not lost by more than 2 goals all season, even while being thoroughly outplayed a few times. It seemed that one of our strengths was to keep things manageable. No more. Plus I think with the disappointing tie against Columbus folks were looking to make up the shortfall, even though that was probably the least likely game to do it in.
I don't disagree, but that's not how it felt. I think even though it would have been worse if we were down 3-0 at the half against our starters, and the goals were evenly spaced, it would have felt less chaotic and uncontrollable. That's what happens when you get beat by a better team, as Tom is rationally explaining. Instead we hung in, seemed like we had a chance, and then the bottom dropped out, the wheels came off, and then the bus exploded, and clown heads grew out of the wreckage.
Tom, I do get it: LA is a great team -- the best of what MLS has to offer. This match showed how far we really have to go before we can be at the top of this league. And yes, Kreis is a dipshit who doesn't seem to have a clue what he's doing out there. But there's another hard truth we must accept: it's 26 matches into the 34 match regular season and our team is terrible right now. 28 pts in 26 matches is simply terrible. As Coach Parcells would say, at a certain point in the season you are what your record says you are and our record says we suck. We are competing on a level with Chicago and Philadelphia -- let that sink in. Not only have those 2 clubs taken substantial points from us this season but we are at the bottom of the table with them. Truthfully, all things considered (expansion, terrible coaching, new players at mid-season, etc.) the bottom of the table is what we've earned. I'm just thankful we don't have to worry about relegation.
Oh I totally agree, which is why I don;t really care about this loss. We are not on their level. The losses to Chicago, Philly and Montreal were much more damaging.
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Garbowski,
You bring up a good point about the academy, and when that is established, we can turn up some good young quality cheap players, like Bardes, and Miazga but winning in MLS is not about having 3-5 good young academy players in your roster. Its about a system in place, and its about playing as a team. What will change even starting next year is that this team will get rid of most of the subpar players such as these (Jacobsen, Grabavoy, Brovsky, Saunders, Wingert, Ballouchy, Nemec, etc) basically all of the left over trash from the Expansion draft.
People have to realize that it is very tough to put a competitive team during the expansion year when ONLY ONE Expansion team is coming into the league, let alone TWO. So you had Orlando City and NYCFC picking the best players from all of the shitty players other MLS didn't really need/want, for the most part.
Now you have a real offseason and two to get the PLAYER THAT YOU SEEK OUT AND WANT, and that are available, to come and be a part of your system from DAY 1. If you think about this year, our team from preseason until now are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TEAMS. Night and Day. So what I expect moving forward is this....
Villa up top, and Kreis and Reyna to go get another striker to pair with Villa. They tried it with Nemec and it failed. Nemec sucks.
I expect Pirlo to play one more year MAYBE. I don't expect Lampard honestly to be back. So in the midfield you have Mix, TMac (maybe, although once we get better players, he may be coming off the bench) and Pirlo next year in the mid. In the back we will return Iraola, Facey, and that leaves another CB and fullback spot open with Angelino not coming back, and I think we have seen the last of Hernandez. But also important, I fully expect NYCFC to go get themselves a true number 1 GK. Saunders lacks in so many areas but one of the most important is the lack of communication and setting his backline up to succeed especially in transition.
So we have 1 Forward, 2 midfield spots, 1 CB, 1 fullback spot open and a GK. I fully expect them to get some real good quality for these positions. We have a very good striker, we have Mix who I think will show much better next year, and we can build from there. Believe me a true offseason or two will make the world of a difference.
But specifically: how do we get them? The Super Draft produces very few worthwhile players. We'll be very lucky to get one worthwhile player out if it year to year, and probably won't get even that as best I can tell. We have very little worth trading to acquire existing MLS players from other MLS teams. After getting Mix we are far down the list to get USMNT players, and don't have either the DP slot or allocation funds to pay for another for the next 2 years at least anyway. There are only so many Poku-types floating around the USL. As far as I can see, our only ability to operate freely is with our limited international slots. Maybe we cut Nemec, Calle, Alvarez. And maybe we do better signing international players in Year Two than in Year One. But the best MLS teams seem to have a solid group of good American players who fit in the cap system. It seems the system is designed in such a way it will take us years to put that type of team together.
Note: I'm not saying our scouts and management are incompetent. Nor am I asking you to ID specific ways to get specific players. I'm asking -- generally -- how can our management work in this highly restrictive system to quickly acquire the quality players in the positions you identify?
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Great question Mgarbowski. Truth is it will be a challenge this coming offseason and a lot has to do with bringing in better talent from south america and maybe even overseas. You are right, Poku is 1 in a million, horseshoe, lucky charms lucky. We got extremely lucky with him. We can't expect to raid NASL and USL to improve our team. The way to go about it is being smart with bringing in whoever gets released from other teams. There will be about 5 players released for whatever reason, usually about money, that can really help most teams in MLS in any given off-season. I am talking about players that are too high off a cost for their current club but is still a good player. We absolutely can't strike out on another striker and I expect us to get one outside of MLS. We need to pair Villa up top with a true striker and slide Poku underneath as a CAM.
The super draft is an afterthought to be honest. Hardly ever will a rookie form college come in and make an impact, except for this year in Cyle Larin. We should hopefully have a full season of Khiry, his speed is a tremendous boost, and hopefully he can learn and grow and provide that spark plug off the bench like he did early this year.
If Lampard doesn't come back, I would take his DP money and spending on a younger DP mid, I would prefer to look in Latin America/South America, but I don't do their scouting. Someone that has skill with the ball at his feet and can withstand pressure much like Poku. A midfield of Poku, Mix, Pirlo, and another skilled midfielder on the flanks will be huge.
However, THE MOST IMPORTANT improvement we need is the CB tandem and to find a replacement for Saunders. Our backline this whole year has been absolutely atrocious, and they are all to blame.
So in short, see who get's released in MLS that can help, look to make a trade of some sort. Look to bring a GK outside of MLS or trade for Nick Rimando. Look to bring a two solid CBs, I am not sold on Facey and Mena, not by a long shot. And a replacement for Angelino ....sigh....I will miss this kid.
