Skyline chili : sweet crap : real chili
Deep dish pizza : tomato sauce & cheese casserole : real pizza
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Skyline chili : sweet crap : real chili
Deep dish pizza : tomato sauce & cheese casserole : real pizza
As someone who grew up in the Chicago area, I do love my deep dish.
But I do want to clarify that Chicago-style does not mean only deep dish. Chicago-style thin crust is the bomb, but nobody outside of Chicago knows about it for some reason.
I'm not knocking deep dish or the thin crust (I've had both in Chicago) but calling them pizza is like calling mac n' cheese "pasta." Sure some of the ingredients may be the same but the end product is so different that it's actually its own thing.
I'm not sure who started those trends in Chicago but I seriously doubt it was the local Italians.
So yeah, what FredMertz said.
I'm not sure who started those trends in Chicago but I seriously doubt it was the local Italians.
So yeah, what FredMertz said.
Deep dish is good , but it's not pizza.
I'm fine with those who say deep dish isn't pizza, I can hear and understand that argument (though I disagree).
But why should the Chicago-style thin crust not be considered "pizza"?
From what I remember (and it was some time ago) the thin crust dough was very different that a traditional neopolitan pie. The dough isn't really a pizza dough.
This is pizza:
Angela, back me up here.
The doughs in the northeast aren't exactly the same because the water and yeast is different but they are far closer to the real thing than Chicago thin crust.
So in legitimate news, the legislature adjourned without taking any action on the Willet's mall, putting the ball squarely in CFG's court. There's plenty of room for them to try and pitch the city on a deal that works for all parties (assuming they're actually interested anyway). And for the detractors who think that it's all about condos, CFG's record shows that they're happy to provide them too under certain circumstances.
We'll see - but if they're smart, they'll realize that this is by far the best opportunity for them (unless they really want to wait 50 years to find the perfect site with no headaches or political problems).
Anyway, on to the shitposting - Lombardi's, Grimaldi's, Arturo's, or John's? (I'd throw in Totonno's, but I've never been there tbh)
We'll see - but if they're smart, they'll realize that this is by far the best opportunity for them (unless they really want to wait 50 years to find the perfect site with no headaches or political problems).
Anyway, on to the shitposting - Lombardi's, Grimaldi's, Arturo's, or John's? (I'd throw in Totonno's, but I've never been there tbh)
I find it silly that people here are defining "real" pizza.
We all know pizza was invented by Celaeno, queen of the Harpies, who foretells that the Trojans would not find peace until they are forced by hunger to eat their tables. Later, Aeneas and his men are served a meal that includes round cakes (like pita bread) topped with cooked vegetables. When they eat the bread, they realize that these are the "tables" prophesied by Celaeno.
We all know pizza was invented by Celaeno, queen of the Harpies, who foretells that the Trojans would not find peace until they are forced by hunger to eat their tables. Later, Aeneas and his men are served a meal that includes round cakes (like pita bread) topped with cooked vegetables. When they eat the bread, they realize that these are the "tables" prophesied by Celaeno.
But just because the dough is slightly different shouldn't mean that its not pizza.
Out of that list, I've only been to Grimaldi's, which is fantastic. But having not been to the others, cannot compare.
I'm on the UES, so my favorite local spot is Nick's on 94th and 2nd which is pretty damn good.
Fair point but in my opinion the dough is very different. Too different to be considered pizza dough and thus not pizza. But that's just my opinion and I am admittedly a complete snob when it comes to Italian food.
Only one right answer:
Arturo's
Runners up from better to lesser (can't call any the worst, all pretty damn good)
Lombardi's, John's, Grimaldi's.
My opinion on this is broadly similar to John Stewart's. Starts about 2 mins in.
http://www.cc.com/video-clips/8o83j9/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-tower-record
Having been to Chicago and tried the deep dish casserole they call pizza, it's tasty and glorious as a late night meal, but it's not pizza.
So when the Court of Appeals, the state's highest court*, ruled on the mall project a few weeks ago they reaffirmed the general principle that parkland can't just be used for non-park use without the state legislature approving whatever non-park use is being proposed. That meant that the mall plan wasn't technically dead, but that the state legislature could have retroactively blessed the development and let it move forward. The legislature usually only meets for the first six months of the year, however, so if nothing was approved by the end of the day yesterday the plan is 100% dead (until next year at the least). And what's more, the legislature approved other park alienations over the last week but didn't get around to this one, despite the fact that the Willet's West developer has plenty of lobbyists on retainer for this sort of thing.
Basically, the city's big plan to build a fancy new neighborhood on the old chop shops and pay for it with a snazzy mall is dead in the water, and CFG has a golden opportunity to swoop in and help save the bigger picture goal of affordable housing at Willet's Point (and get a stadium out of it). That's, of course, if they're actually up for being that ambitious. Are they? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
*Not the New York State Supreme Court, just to make it extra annoying and confusing
This is correct. (Grimaldi's is good, but loses points for giving me food poisoning the last time I went)
Julianas, next door, is actually the original owners of Grimaldis and in my opinion better.
Of these, the only one I haven't been to is Arturo's. When I first moved here, I went to Grimaldi's a lot (it was called Patsy's back then, before losing a court battle against some cousins who were opening the chain Patsy's that are now around town). I then went to Lombardi's once it opened. I've done John's once or twice. Before moving out of the city, my usual place was Totonno's on the Upper East Side (which is the one that gave me food poisoning, but we stuck with it). I've not been to the original Totonno's.
I loved them all - perhaps except for John's, which I think is very good, but not exceptional. My ranking.
Lombardi's
Grimaldi's
Totonno's
John's
I've had deep dish pizza in Chicago (Gino's East), but not thin crust. Can someone explain to me how their thin crust differs from NYC?
