Stadium Discussion
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Just amused at the comment by Beckham on stadium deals. Certainly applies to us and others.
good to see the local news getting whiffs of it. but they're probably just late on reporting on last month's news.
would be nice to hear something soon, but i'm guessing we won't hear anymore significant stadium news until the fall.
I don’t think any of this is new (at least if you keep up with the Outfield and
SoupInNYC ’s twitter reports), other than the quotes from Philps giving a little color to things we already know. But it is a good summary of a lot of the factors involved
This does not sound good to me. It sounds like the local board wants free access to the stadium any time it wants for events and games. for local teams? I mean, I'd be ok with a college game or something, but you want to rent out a 25K stadium for your rec league games? Sounds like a lot of unreasonable demands to me and I hate that these articles don't go into more depth as to what is meant by these quotes.
“Listen, if you’re going to take a city resource, even if it’s being funded completely with private dollars, there have to be a number of benefits for the people that live and work here"
So getting rid of unprofitable and underutilized parking and redeveloping the area to give green space, housing, etc, on a private dime isn't enough?
Why is this news? I mean, I’m being facetious a little bit, but all that’s new here is that the reporter has seen the technical assistance panel report that the community board asked for. The Outfield covered this extensively and I would remind folks of recap of the community board meeting/public presentation with ULI where the question was not at all whether a stadium should be built but, assuming one was, what it should look like.
There are plenty of folks more knowledgeable about the planning/approval process than me but one wouldn’t learn about it from that article, particularly when and what role the community board plays
Edit: for quick reference, adding the following links:
The Outfield: NYCFC Stadium Plans Gather Steam in the Bronx (10/28/2019)
The Outfield: A First Look at NYCFC's Bronx Stadium Plan (12/20/2019)
Twitter thread recapping the CB4/ULI public presentation
There are plenty of folks more knowledgeable about the planning/approval process than me but one wouldn’t learn about it from that article, particularly when and what role the community board plays
Edit: for quick reference, adding the following links:
The Outfield: NYCFC Stadium Plans Gather Steam in the Bronx (10/28/2019)
The Outfield: A First Look at NYCFC's Bronx Stadium Plan (12/20/2019)
Twitter thread recapping the CB4/ULI public presentation
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Good. Tell Phillips he can play his rec soccer games in the rundown parking garages. Tell him to fuck off with his handout requests.
I wouldn’t read too much into any of those quotes. From what I’ve seen, Philps strikes me as a generally reasonable guy who’s doing his best to manage what is (or could quickly become) a pretty high-pressure situation. We expect some sort of community benefits agreement, and it looks to me like he’s simply describing that accepted fact, and offering examples of what something like that *might* contain, in the course of discussing the potential development with the reporter. As is, this isn’t anything like “demands” or “ultimatums,” and it all seems relatively within the realm of reasonable discussion. You want to yell about handout requests, let’s all revisit Cary Goodman’s cuckoo for cocoa puffs equity scheme
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I would say don't worry too much about the Phillips quote about "we are not close to pulling the trigger." It's the Community Board-- they don't pull any triggers. They don't have that kind of power. Ultimately, they fulfill an advisory function. Granted, it is a bad look for the Borough President, City Council, etc. to go against the wishes of a CB vote and they will go to great lengths to assuage concerns and negotiate concessions to get the CB on board. But in the end-- many, possibly most, rezonings and other large land development projects go forward despite a "No" vote from the CB. And I suspect in this case the CB will ultimately get on board anyway.
You are an awesome poster and forum member but I think you are being unduly harsh here. He is not requesting handouts. When they built their new stadium the Yankees took City park land and then didn't really hold up their end of the bargain. Going forward, I really don't think this guy should be faulted for standing up for his underserved community when bags of money are being thrown around by sheiks and real estate developers, asking for occasional public access to open space.
You are an awesome poster and forum member but I think you are being unduly harsh here. He is not requesting handouts. When they built their new stadium the Yankees took City park land and then didn't really hold up their end of the bargain. Going forward, I really don't think this guy should be faulted for standing up for his underserved community when bags of money are being thrown around by sheiks and real estate developers, asking for occasional public access to open space.
The only new info from this is that District Manager Paul Philps has appeared to have changed his last name to Phillips.
Exactly. They aren't requesting handouts. What they don't want is another Yankee Stadium situation. One where the stadium is basically (with the rare concert or college football exception) only used on Yankee and NYCFC game days. And many of the local bars and restaurants surrounding it are so dependant on gamedays that they are closed nearly any other day. The stadium architecture also doesn't help as when you walk down River Ave on a non-gameday, it just feels like a giant wall.
Basically, my pulse on how the local community feels is that the Bronx is not the Yankees home. It's just where they play.
Classic negotiating technique we all use, which is known as “anchoring”. Start with huge demands — anchor the negotiation well above what you really want — and negotiate down, hopefully to something more than your wish list and BATNA (best alternative to negotiated agreement).
If it’s all privately funded, it’s a handout plain and simple. They certainly have the right to ask and I would if I were in his position but his tone of entitlement strikes me as silly. People need to realize nobody has to do anything and at some point, if you make it difficult enough, they won’t.
Too often people like this make the perfect the enemy of the good and are left with nothing.
Ask and negotiate but don’t demand.
Community board review of land use actions is advisory. ULURP requires that certain actions be presented to community boards, but final determinations are not made by the community board.
District managers of community boards are City employees that administer board functions. They do not actually vote on any matters before a community board - only board members do so.
It is generally preferred to have community board support for a land use action, and a community board's input can often be valuable, but it is not required (and it is often not obtained).
Tracking stadium progress, it would be of greater import to track comments of the local councilperson. Currently, I believe, that is Vanessa Gibson. If there is a land use action that requires a City Council vote, the Council frequently follows the preferences of the local councilperson.
District managers of community boards are City employees that administer board functions. They do not actually vote on any matters before a community board - only board members do so.
It is generally preferred to have community board support for a land use action, and a community board's input can often be valuable, but it is not required (and it is often not obtained).
Tracking stadium progress, it would be of greater import to track comments of the local councilperson. Currently, I believe, that is Vanessa Gibson. If there is a land use action that requires a City Council vote, the Council frequently follows the preferences of the local councilperson.
The actual stadium location would be Diana Ayala. The overall rumored development would also bring in Vanessa Gibson.
