Stadium Discussion

[moogoo]

Basically, my pulse on how the local community feels is that the Bronx is not the Yankees home. It's just where they play.

So the Bronx bombers isn't a good nickname for them, unless you interpret Bombers to mean they destroyed the local economy.

Also, how would they design a stadium that isn't a wall along the sidewalk? I guess the only way would be to integrate retail stores, restaurants, or offices so it just looks like any other commercial block? Just have to make sure that these smaller establishments don't have access to the main stadium itself for security reasons.

Classic negotiating technique we all use, which is known as “anchoring”. Start with huge demands — anchor the negotiation well above what you really want — and negotiate down, hopefully to something more than your wish list and BATNA (best alternative to negotiated agreement).

I get that. but as others have said, the ULI people are advisory only. These comments just make them sound like they're making unnecessary demands and not just looking out for the community. I certainly think there are better ways to convey that they don't want another yankee stadium situation.

 

[Ulrich]

If it’s all privately funded, it’s a handout plain and simple. They certainly have the right to ask and I would if I were in his position but his tone of entitlement strikes me as silly. People need to realize nobody has to do anything and at some point, if you make it difficult enough, they won’t.

Too often people like this make the perfect the enemy of the good and are left with nothing.

Ask and negotiate but don’t demand.

Exactly. The alternative is the status quo of underused parking garages that are a blight on the neighborhood.

The notion of setting the anchor of the negotiations in lala land shows the lack of footing the group has - their rec or non-rec has zero bearing on the process and everybody knows it. They should be entering the negotiations from a position of wanting to be good neighbors rather than demanding to be partners/recipients. If this falls through, or the developers walk, they get nothing - it’s far better to help grease the wheels in any way they can because whatever is built is a net-positive to the neighborhood compared to empty parking garages. And pointedly, those bars will be in operation at least another 18+ times during the year, so already that’s a plus - throw in the additional housing and foot traffic also increases. The CB needs to make sure their reaching doesn’t cause them to lose their footing and fall.

 

[Ulrich]

Also, how would they design a stadium that isn't a wall along the sidewalk? I guess the only way would be to integrate retail stores, restaurants, or offices so it just looks like any other commercial block? Just have to make sure that these smaller establishments don't have access to the main stadium itself for security reasons.

You’re describing the profession of Architecture. Security is easy.

 

[SoupInNYC]

Also, how would they design a stadium that isn't a wall along the sidewalk? I guess the only way would be to integrate retail stores, restaurants, or offices so it just looks like any other commercial block? Just have to make sure that these smaller establishments don't have access to the main stadium itself for security reasons.

Yeah, I'm not really sure how they could have designed it better or anything so it isn't just a wall along the sidewalk. I'm just passing along what I've heard said from several local community members at other meetings.

 

[Gotham Gator]

Yeah, I'm not really sure how they could have designed it better or anything so it isn't just a wall along the sidewalk. I'm just passing along what I've heard said from several local community members at other meetings.

I've long thought that having regular storefronts at ground level on a stadium is the best way to keep them integrated into the neighborhood and not just a monolith that eats up space. Easier said than done - especially on a small footprint. Still, to have a bodega, a small pub and the like available when the stadium is closed should make a big difference.

 

[Ulrich]

Yeah, I'm not really sure how they could have designed it better or anything so it isn't just a wall along the sidewalk. I'm just passing along what I've heard said from several local community members at other meetings.

I've long thought that having regular storefronts at ground level on a stadium is the best way to keep them integrated into the neighborhood and not just a monolith that eats up space. Easier said than done - especially on a small footprint. Still, to have a bodega, a small pub and the like available when the stadium is closed should make a big difference.

There are many ways to do it, Gator has mentioned a few, and considering that the areas farthest from the field have raked stands above street level, there is ample opportunity to include covered plazas and open space (if they can affords not to have rentable/commercial spaces). Opening and activating the area so that it’s not simply the width of the sidewalk is a big opportunity- I’m just not sure our site would allow for the loss of space; YS sure seems like it could have - there’s acres of poorly used space inside.

 

[sundance]

I've long thought that having regular storefronts at ground level on a stadium is the best way to keep them integrated into the neighborhood and not just a monolith that eats up space. Easier said than done - especially on a small footprint. Still, to have a bodega, a small pub and the like available when the stadium is closed should make a big difference.

People sometimes talk about having architecture representative of the city. Bodegas on the stadium corners would just about do it!

 

[Ulrich]

People sometimes talk about having architecture representative of the city. Bodegas on the stadium corners would just about do it!

Buddy, a semi-permanent Sidewalk shed running the length with two bikes each missing a wheel chained to the sign post.

 

[Gotham Gator]

People sometimes talk about having architecture representative of the city. Bodegas on the stadium corners would just about do it!

Somewhere on this thread, there is an image of a new stadium - I think in one of the Benelux countries. It's walls look like row houses and are made to match the neighborhood. It's terrific.

A version of that for NYC, with ground level retail and the illusion of tenements above would be perfect.

 

[adam]

Somewhere on this thread, there is an image of a new stadium - I think in one of the Benelux countries. It's walls look like row houses and are made to match the neighborhood. It's terrific.

A version of that for NYC, with ground level retail and the illusion of tenements above would be perfect.

Kind of like disneyworld.

 

[The Toe]

How a new soccer stadium could be a catalyst for neighborhood growth in the South Bronx | 6sqft

The Urban Land Institute New York (ULI NY) and Bronx Community Board 4 (CB4) have issued a report outlining how a new soccer stadium could best impact the surrounding community.

www.6sqft.com

 

[Shwafta]

How a new soccer stadium could be a catalyst for neighborhood growth in the South Bronx | 6sqft

The Urban Land Institute New York (ULI NY) and Bronx Community Board 4 (CB4) have issued a report outlining how a new soccer stadium could best impact the surrounding community.

www.6sqft.com

"construction of the project would not begin for at least two years"

 

[LostAnvil]

"construction of the project would not begin for at least two years"

 

[sundance]

"construction of the project would not begin for at least two years"

They’re just repeating details from the NYT story there. Construction starts (God willing) 2022, open for business in 2024

 

[The Toe]

NYC F.C. Bronx stadium plans get muddier, could face long public approval process

The Urban Land Institute, a nonprofit that has consulted on other sports venue deals in the past, yesterday issued a report for Bronx Community Board 4 on the prospect of a new soccer stadium for NYC F.C. on the current site of city-owned parking garages being used by the New York Yankees, the...

www.fieldofschemes.com

 

[The Toe]

New York City FC feels ‘pain’ of stadium saga after being forced to play at Red Bull Arena

NYCFC CEO Brad Sims talks to Bob Williams about the MLS club's long-running search for a building of their own and why uncomfortable interim steps have happened…

www.sportbusiness.com

 

[moogoo]

New York City FC feels ‘pain’ of stadium saga after being forced to play at Red Bull Arena

NYCFC CEO Brad Sims talks to Bob Williams about the MLS club's long-running search for a building of their own and why uncomfortable interim steps have happened…

www.sportbusiness.com

boo paywall.

 

[sundance]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1239640967302598656

 

[Shwafta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1239640967302598656

That's what I figured was gonna happen, I was thinking about this yesterday.
Gotta love how we just can't catch a break.

 

[mgarbowski]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1239640967302598656

Why ULURP specifically? I would understand a general announcement that all non-vital city functions are suspended or slowed while the state of emergency is in effect. Singling out ULURP seems odd.