Stadium Discussion

Where Do You Want The Stadium?

  • Manhattan

    Votes: 54 16.7%
  • Queens

    Votes: 99 30.6%
  • Brooklyn

    Votes: 19 5.9%
  • Staten Island

    Votes: 7 2.2%
  • Westchester

    Votes: 18 5.6%
  • The Bronx

    Votes: 113 34.9%
  • Long Island

    Votes: 6 1.9%
  • Dual-Boroughs

    Votes: 3 0.9%
  • Etihad Island

    Votes: 5 1.5%

  • Total voters
    324
Westchester, NYC and Long Island will get 3 casinos among them. Everyone wants a piece. It's unlikely NYC gets more than 2, and might only get 1 of the 3.
The state will decide, and created a commission to handle it -- the type of commission you create in order to facilitate and hide patronage and corruption.
Cohen wants one of the casinos but faces competition from locations at Aqueduct, Coney Island, Manhattan and elsewhere in the city. His problem is that besides bribing convincing the state commission, he needs to get special permission to build anything on the parking lots, which technically are parkland. The land under and around Shea Stadium used to be part of Corona Park, and it took special legislation in both NY state and NYC to build a stadium there, and that legislation passed back in the early 1960s basically allow for a baseball stadium and parking. Demolishing Shea, building Citi, and shifting the parking around was authorized under that old legislation. But anything else needs new authorization. This was litigated in 2017 when the Wilpons wanted to develop the parking lots into a mall and residential and the Wilpons lost. That's why Cohen needs the city council to act. Other potential casino sites don't have this extra obstacle.

So Cohen is strong-arming the city council to pass their enabling bill, because he has leverage. But then his problem is he has less juice with the state officials, who also are responsible for horse racing, which is a dead industry being kept alive solely by government subsidy because it's a massive source of patronage and corruption. One big source of the horse racing subsidy is a cut of the revenue from the racino at Aqueduct. But Aqueduct is closing when Belmont gets remodeled (see article linked earlier) and so the mob captains state legislators who oversee racing, and conveniently are in charge of the casino process, favor a full casino at the soon-to-be former Aqueduct site so they can keep the subsidies flowing.
 
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I’m paraphrasing, but the article says there are sources who state that there is no parking minimum for the project. So basically this doesn’t mean anything and Cohen is just trying to make sure he gets his casino

Yeah it sounds like we're building the stadium whether we come to an agreement on parking or not. Cohen is still going to have parking lots needed for Citi Field whether he gets his casino or not, so I'm not entirely sure what the big deal is. If there's no Mets game, why wouldn't we be able to use the spots. If there is a Mets game on the same day, I can understand how space will get tight. But ultimately, I get the sense this will be one of those things that gets figured out as we get closer. We know those lots are there, and we know they'll be available for most of our games, so I don't really see this is a big deal yet.
 
I’m paraphrasing, but the article says there are sources who state that there is no parking minimum for the project. So basically this doesn’t mean anything and Cohen is just trying to make sure he gets his casino
I’m not sure the author is completely right on that but I’m trying to clarify some information I have on this (as well as will be providing some more specifics on this soon).
 
In a somewhat related note, I found this piece from WSJ with regards to how cities are changing their approaches towards parking requirements fairly intriguing.

 
I’m not sure the author is completely right on that but I’m trying to clarify some information I have on this (as well as will be providing some more specifics on this soon).
 
The words parking spaces and baseball stadium in the same sentence will haunt me until something is actually built. Does this have the potential to derail the project altogether?
 
Good reporting, even if it violates the terms requiring it to be good news.

One small question. I know that the Mets control the parking at Citi Field, but do they control the "off-site" parking up on Flushing Bay? Those are the lots denoted by a blue dot. They add up to over 1,000 all by themselves.
 
The words parking spaces and baseball stadium in the same sentence will haunt me until something is actually built. Does this have the potential to derail the project altogether?
I imagine that they would be able to find a workaround for this or able to eventually work something out.

I think the bigger threat to this is the timeline since parking needs to be figured out for the Environmental Impact Statement and that affects certification into ULURP and kicking that whole process off.
 
Good reporting, even if it violates the terms requiring it to be good news.

One small question. I know that the Mets control the parking at Citi Field, but do they control the "off-site" parking up on Flushing Bay? Those are the lots denoted by a blue dot. They add up to over 1,000 all by themselves.
As far as I understand it, they do. Those lots are included within the 8,500 spots referenced on the same slide that NYCFC is requesting from.

Its definitely a good question and I'm still trying furiously to have someone talk to me on the record for this to no luck so far.
 
I hope we do this until the end of time. Announce a Coney Island stadium and have Deno's Wonder Wheel block it due to parking concerns. Let Macy's stop a Herald Square site. You want a stadium on Staten Island? Sorry, the Atlantic League of Professional Baseball requires the FerryHawks keep those spots available in perpetuity.
 
As far as I understand it, they do. Those lots are included within the 8,500 spots referenced on the same slide that NYCFC is requesting from.

Its definitely a good question and I'm still trying furiously to have someone talk to me on the record for this to no luck so far.
I love Mike Bloomberg, but damn he gave those baseball teams everything and the kitchen sink when they built those new stadiums.
 
I wonder if it's possible to put the 1,000 spots under the stadium? I spent a lot of time doing business in Philadelphia and parked at Liberty Place every trip. Their underground lot covered just a corner of the building and it held 779 spots.

Just thinking out loud a little.

Very disappointed in Cohen. But I guess he really, really wants that casino (be careful what you wish for), handshake deal be damned. "For chrissake, wake up Frankie, these people are sharks. How do you think they ended up with all that goddamn money?" (Mickey Morrissey, The Verdict)

Anyway, great report Soups. Even if it isn't great news.
 
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He is trying to lump his casino in with our stadium, because we have support.

i dont get the idea behind it? wouldnt the casino have it own process to go thru with licenses approvals. if anything it delays the process even further.

its getting ridiculous the whole shit about parking and killing projects over something that may not even get used. cant they use the parking in the US open stadiums nearby? as a temporary measure then years later they can get back to working a deal with for the mets parking?
 
i dont get the idea behind it? wouldnt the casino have it own process to go thru with licenses approvals. if anything it delays the process even further.

its getting ridiculous the whole shit about parking and killing projects over something that may not even get used. cant they use the parking in the US open stadiums nearby? as a temporary measure then years later they can get back to working a deal with for the mets parking?
That is why he wants to force his way on to nycfc's stadium deal.
 
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That is why he wants to force his way on to nycfc's stadium deal.

and wont this mean there will be tax payer money going into building his casino? which will most likely get push back. just ridiculous all around for parking spots.