Rosita Monster. She is fluent in Spanish and was promised a game as GK by Villa.
Didn't she say she played as keeper though? She'd never get picked ahead of Calamity Josh.
Would you rather CCL/RBNJ Poll
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Didn't she say she played as keeper though? She'd never get picked ahead of Calamity Josh.
That's it! PV is saving him for the CCL next year. Suchitepequez won't know what hit them.
Yes. Love it. I voted CCL.
Question: All things being equal, would you take extra allocation money and the chance to play 2-4 games next year against international competition?
I'd answer yes.
Question: Do you want your rival (and their fans) to feel happy?
This is where all the fun psychological stuff comes in. Love the reference you pulled. A lot of this is the ego attachment that happens. Why do I feel happy when we win? Why do I care about any of this? And why does my ego feel bruised when my team's rival does well?
We can trace a lot of it back to tribal caveman inborn stuff. Need to protect my pack. The threat of scarce resources.
Where this is particularly fascinating is that it shows where our inborn desires for protection - getting our share of scarce resources - utterly fail to adapt to a non-fixed pie situation. Their gain isn't our loss. In fact, their gain is our gain. But our Darwinian evolutionary survival instincts still feel hurt when a rival tribe grabs a valued resource.
My ego wouldn't be affected if they win, and most of the other stuff doesn't bother me either - my life goes on regardless. But, from a psychological standpoint, I'd say the crux of your statement is false. Their gain would most definitely be our (future) loss - every derby match we've played has been an amped up superiority complex demonstration where they've had the upper hand by playing with more intensity keyed by a chip on their shoulder. Give them one more reason to feel superior and they'll have another boost going in to the next derby. However, if RB loses the Cup, it's one more chink in their armor that they can't win the big game, and that is actually our gain as there is a deep-seated doubt in their collective heads.
I'm not saying that there isn't a case for a lot of studies on the sport by psychologists and academics, but in sports, an opponent's troubles are always a positive with respect to your own future fortunes. The caveat being if they are rewarded with a high draft pick and turn it into a game changer.
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If you're in the playoffs at all, you will not be allocated a draft pick that can produce starting quality MLS talent.
The chances of a MLS super draft pick ever playing a game, even as a sub, crater around the 5th to 7th pick. If we look at the last 5-10 years the chance of someone playing in MLS is non existent past pick 8. The draft does produce the occasional jack Harrison, but for the most part it's extremely thin past the first 3 players. If I'm not mistaken players selected past 15 tend not to play professional soccer in any capacity, ever.
No doubt! That reference was more generalized than for this specific instance of RB winning the cup (I.e. Kicking an opponent/taking enjoyment in their misery when they're already down, like Chicago IF they were actually our hated rival, wouldn't produce the same future results because they would be getting the #1 pick (outside of Atlanta/Minnesota, so #3) and that Pick could/would likely hurt us in future games).
Edit - It's not even so much that one needs to wish ill (Chicago level ill) on the other, more that it's wishing mediocrity on them so they can't revel in the achievement of the Cup which can be harnessed and built upon. Playing in the CCL matches helps us less than the confidence/ego stroking that a Cup could bring them.
What do you think mgarbowski has been working on for the last few weeks?
Just logged back on and am surprised to see I am on the wrong end of a 41-8 vote on this.
We know we get allocation money with the CCL spot but we have no way of knowing how much.
If the allocation $ that went with the CCL spot was $10 Million would folks still want NJRB to lose?
This is just a hypothetical any way because NYCFC is going to be in the final and we are all rooting for LAG and SEA so the Cup game will be in YS.
We know we get allocation money with the CCL spot but we have no way of knowing how much.
If the allocation $ that went with the CCL spot was $10 Million would folks still want NJRB to lose?
This is just a hypothetical any way because NYCFC is going to be in the final and we are all rooting for LAG and SEA so the Cup game will be in YS.
You remember that thing called the regular season? All those 34 games? It actually does count for something.
I do cringe at the prospect of my friend who just texted me "second in the east, second in the golden boot, better luck next time" having the ultimate ammunition to annoy the fuck out of me for the foreseeable future.
But I do look beyond the emotional stuff. I do see some concrete and discernible damage if the RB were to win. As a new club in a market with an incumbent, we know that it is crucial to capture attention, press, market, and fans. We have done a terrific job of doing that, particularly winning over NYC soccer fans and even stealing NJ soccer fans. The RB garnering the spotlight and attention of a winning Cup run, including local and even national press and some resulting advantageous marketing, would/could be a setback. It very well could be a momentum killer, even if just temporarily.
This is not necessarily a dispositive reason to vote against the RB win, but it's an additional factor to at least mention.
But I do look beyond the emotional stuff. I do see some concrete and discernible damage if the RB were to win. As a new club in a market with an incumbent, we know that it is crucial to capture attention, press, market, and fans. We have done a terrific job of doing that, particularly winning over NYC soccer fans and even stealing NJ soccer fans. The RB garnering the spotlight and attention of a winning Cup run, including local and even national press and some resulting advantageous marketing, would/could be a setback. It very well could be a momentum killer, even if just temporarily.
This is not necessarily a dispositive reason to vote against the RB win, but it's an additional factor to at least mention.
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I could have guessed most of the make CCL votes. adam and derek_villa are mysteries, of the regulars.
Shifting gears, Wasn't even thinking about this, but there's a strong chance any matches we were to have in CCL would be about as watchable as our USOC matches. So there is that to consider, i.e., the eye-gouging nature of play produced by our b squad cup endeavors. It's painful to watch that stuff and in general diminishes my enjoyment derived from following the team because I get extra bitchy watching us play shit.
Shifting gears, Wasn't even thinking about this, but there's a strong chance any matches we were to have in CCL would be about as watchable as our USOC matches. So there is that to consider, i.e., the eye-gouging nature of play produced by our b squad cup endeavors. It's painful to watch that stuff and in general diminishes my enjoyment derived from following the team because I get extra bitchy watching us play shit.
And on a crappy AstroTurf field.
I think you aren't understanding the difference between the common usage of ego and the psychological term. All of us experience some level of ego identification with the club - i.e., their fortune is our fortune. When they do well or poorly we feel that in a personal way. If we didn't feel that, we wouldn't be fans of the team, we'd be neutral fans of the sport.
It's why you see comments like these (just in the last dozen posts on this thread):
It's why our post-game threads are filled with rage or joy depending on the result. Some feel this more or less than others. But I think if you believe you don't feel it at all, you are not actually above it. You are simply unaware or unwilling to admit to the effect it has on you.
From a micro level, yes. I may be bummed for a day or two. From a macro level, no. It doesn't affect how I approach my family, work, or life.
There's a difference between the two and I'm conscious of it.
Ask a diehard Man City fan if they'd rather finish 5th (European League) if if meant Man United would finish 2nd and not win the Premier League vs. Man City finish 4th (Champions League) and Man United win the Premier League.
I'd take the first. You never want your rival to do better than you domestically. And plus Man United would never win the Champions League anyway, and probably be moved to the European League after the group stages. (But that's for another thread...)
As JayH said success is more than just about what happens on the field (although that is a huge contribution to overall club success), it's about winning over fans, the city, the metropolitan area, the media space, etc. CCL isn't going to do a lot of that. MLS Cup will 100%.
I'd take the first. You never want your rival to do better than you domestically. And plus Man United would never win the Champions League anyway, and probably be moved to the European League after the group stages. (But that's for another thread...)
As JayH said success is more than just about what happens on the field (although that is a huge contribution to overall club success), it's about winning over fans, the city, the metropolitan area, the media space, etc. CCL isn't going to do a lot of that. MLS Cup will 100%.
What would be hilarious is if the NYRB won and the mayors office declined to give them a parade citing the fact that they have no history in the state or city of NY.
Followed by the phone number for the mayors office for Harrison NJ.
Ahh idle thoughts are fun sometimes.
