Orlando Postmatch

- Pirlo doesn't fit our system compared to other options. How will Vieira ween him out of the 11?

- I'd rather have another deadly finisher than another midfield option. So I'd take Torres over Khedira. (But that's just after one game...Khedira this summer!)
 
Upon further review, how did we not win that game?

There's being better, and there's being dominant. We were clearly the dominant team. We just could not finish for all the tea in China.
 
Upon further review, how did we not win that game?

There's being better, and there's being dominant. We were clearly the dominant team. We just could not finish for all the tea in China.
We probably should have reached an agreement regarding the Nootka Sound with James Delaney.
 
Re: midfield. Ring certainly wasn't wandering out of position on his own, he's quite the opposite and does things that are asked of him (could sometimes do even more!). I think PV put him higher up to get him out of Pirlo's way, and to my eyes these two didn't combine too well, because Pirlo is most often seeking out the Hollywood 60 yard pass. I think Pirlo's freer role was also the reason for Maxi being less attacking than perhaps expected. This is difficult nut to crack: Pirlo's strenghts are so obvious, but he needs people around him to win the ball for the team, because he doesn't risk his old legs with tackles anymore.

And what comes to Ring's goal opportunity after half an hour: you'd better get used to him getting into sitter scoring positions, thanks to his mobility, and then squandering them. There'll be frustratingly many missed chances, and then once he hits the net, he's bound to bury more in consecutive games... He was just like that at Kaiserslautern, and will be like that at the NYCFC unless he starts really training his finishing.

Some other notes: Wallace is a liability. A very gifted player but way too uncontrolled and reckless in his tackling. Shelton needs more boldness and courage. McNamara looks like a breeze from early 1970's British game - his movement and touch doesn't give out any idea what sort of player he is. Could be anything, depending on day.
The central defence worked pretty ok, but the outer positions need stronger display. Villa was too alone yesterday, I think he'd thrive in a 442 or 4411. Oh, and Harrison should have buried it! He really should.
 
Just a few lads having fun right?
Ban them all.
https://streamable.com/w8z4b
Do people on this forum have a close tie-in with a supporters group that has a connection with the club? Is there anyway to voice an opinion that we (other NYCFC fans) want these people banned? Even if the league doesn't do anything, I'd never want to see those folks in our stadium ever again. I don't want to be associated with people like that. They hurt soccer's reputation and they hurt my reputation as a soccer fan, and more importantly, they're assholes and criminals.

Also, if there's any way for NYCFC fans to each donate like $1 to pay for that Orlando stadium seat that was ripped out of their brand new stadium, I think that would be a nice gesture.... don't know if that's feasible or if anyone has a connection that could organize such an effort...
 
Also, ATL is a better version of what we claim to want to be.
Unfortunately the same weaknesses from last season still seem to be present. A midfield that can't tackle, and a build up that is just way too slow. It would take us 4-5 passes just to accomplish what Orlando could do in one. We need to be a lot faster otherwise we are going to keep struggling agianst teams that sit deeper.
Meld these 2 observations together and that's what I gleaned watching Atlanta last night. Notwithstanding their late game collapse, they moved the ball around cleanly and quickly and had RB on their heels for most of the night. They would get the ball in their half and be attacking with the same 4-5 passes we make but it happened fast. So much faster than us.
Also, they rarely got the ball in their back quarter and spent the next 45 seconds switching the field without moving forward. Actually never that I saw. It was like us but not frustrating, for 75 minutes at least.
 
I'd bet on Valencia or Gijon.

Twellman said it was a top 5 club in La Liga so that rules out Gijon. It also definitely rules out Real Madrid and Barcelona. Atletico is doubtful. My guess is what you said in Valencia or maybe Villarreal or Sevilla.

Actually, looking at depth charts, it is definitely Valencia.
 
I find the MLS schedule this year odd. We play Orlando three times this season...

March 5
April 23
May 21

That's all within three months...
It's odd, but routine. In 2015 we played Columbus twice and it was 10 days apart in late August. Last year we were done with Toronto, RB, and Philly by July 24 which meant no games against our 2 biggest rivals for top of the East in the last 3 months of the season.
 
My problem with this is no player on the roster or the league for that matter can pick out the passes Pirlo does. You completely lose a dimension of our deadly attack if you bench Pirlo. I will concede, however, that we may just have to build up differently in the attack without him. I can fully acknowledge he is a defensive liability, but we have always known this. We need to find the midfield pairing with Pirlo that will work. I do think Ring can do it, but he definitely didn't this time around.

The Pirlo passes that I noticed (and yes, they were good) were long balls from deep midfield spreading out to either Wallace or Jack. That's great, and it gets us the ball in a dangerous spot, but we do not have Zlatan on our roster. Once the wingers got the ball, they would send in crosses that never reached the heads of our two small attacking DPs. This effectively took Maxi out of the buildup equation. If we have a DP #10, we need to use him. Villa/Maxi/Jack looked amazing in preseason when they played quick passes up the middle. I think we are more suited to a 4-2-3-1 right now, with the wingers pinched in a bit more to feed off of Maxi.

I think because Pirlo was a defensive liability, we saw Maxi tracking back to our third. Because of this, when Pirlo got the ball, Maxi was not in a dangerous position to be a real outlet. Hence the hail marys. I do think this can be fixed with some more positional discipline, but if Maxi isn't tracking back we could be pinned in our third for much longer. Oh and there's one other guy I saw in preseason who was nailing those same exact passes we saw Pirlo execute last night. James Sands.

Meld these 2 observations together and that's what I gleaned watching Atlanta last night. Notwithstanding their late game collapse, they moved the ball around cleanly and quickly and had RB on their heels for most of the night. They would get the ball in their half and be attacking with the same 4-5 passes we make but it happened fast. So much faster than us.
Also, they rarely got the ball in their back quarter and spent the next 45 seconds switching the field without moving forward. Actually never that I saw. It was like us but not frustrating, for 75 minutes at least.

Atlanta looked really good. Their speed in transition is amazing, and Almiron is a perfect fit. He is fast, but somehow manages to slow things down enough to have absolute control. Add in Villalba and Asad on the wings, and you have a midfield with pace and desire who feed off of Almiron perfectly. Then add in Martinez up top and ATL looks deadly. Sucks that they lost in the end, but they controlled the RB press for most of the game with quick, pinpoint passes and a fast transition. That's what I want to see from us. Pirlo needs to get the ball to Maxi, who needs to be the anchor of our attack. Let Pirlo follow up as a backwards outlet, but FFS get Maxi the ball where he can be dangerous. I just don't get how a team who can't score on a corner to save their lives thinks it's a good idea to just go wide and whip them in. That was never going to work.

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It's very simple why we lost besides odd subs.

The CDM played CAM
The CAM played CM
The CM played CDM

I do think this was the main issue for us, and I think it's probably chalked up to this midfield having very limited game minutes together. If they can straighten this out then I think we'll be much better. There's just part of me that thinks Pirlo is the reason these positions got mixed up. Ideally, Ring = 6, Pirlo = 8, Maxi = 10, but I don't really think Pirlo is an 8. He's an anomaly that works well in a very limited set of circumstances. An 8 needs to run, and an 8 needs to tackle. Because he's limited in these areas is, IMO, why we saw Maxi tracking back, and probably why Ring tracked forward to fill the space left by Maxi. As others have said, try Hererra at 6, Ring at 8, and Maxi at 10 and I think we see a much different result.
 
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Subject to my various comments above, and everyone else's legitimate analysis of our performance, and notwithstanding our lack of finishing, and the fact that it looked like we were playing a final pre-season game (how's that for a run-on lead-in?), our progression, flow and build-up still looked better than it did at our best last season. This team will be massively better than last season when it all clicks, whenever that is.
 
Not that I noticed. They need to sort the half time watering if the pitch because there was some standing water on the field, but they should be able to fix that.

It looked terrible on TV. I honestly thought there had been one of those brief downpours you get in Florida until I noticed the wet spots lay in a pattern where the sprinklers had been. You could clearly see the ball holding up as it went through those zones. I wondered if it had been on purpose to try and break up our possession game.
 
Twellman said it was a top 5 club in La Liga so that rules out Gijon. It also definitely rules out Real Madrid and Barcelona. Atletico is doubtful. My guess is what you said in Valencia or maybe Villarreal or Sevilla.

Actually, looking at depth charts, it is definitely Valencia.
Also, he gave Valencia some of his best years, and the team has been in such turmoil with fan revolt and everything else for the last few years, it would make sense that they are looking for a relatively cheap, sentimentally winning move. So that's a good bet.
 
I wouldn't actually make a major change after just one game, but I would consider bringing on Herrera as a true 6 and sliding Maxi to RW, with Harrison on the bench. I think I liked Harrison's play more than most, but he could be deadly as a second half offensive sub (and miles better than the Shelton/McNamara pairing we brought on).

Plus, Maxi seemed like he was trying to steal Pirlo's position all game. We only need one pivot when his name is Pirlo. Get the little guy out of the fray in the middle.
 
Again, the most goals scored in MLS in 2016 with him starting 32 of 34 matches. Led the team in assists and largely facilitated many of the attacks. You're going to look at one game (or three if you wanna go back to the playoffs) to make your judgement? We've known all along he sucks at defense. It's also not his fault that Villa and others didn't finish his perfect passes tonight.
I thought in preseason we passed better without Pirlo than with. It forces everybody to be involved facilitating more movement and less predictability. It also has the added benefit of an 11th player playing defense. Don't get me wrong, I love Pirlo and think he's magical to watch (only to sigh when the other players can't convert), but to borrow a football term, Pirlo is really only good for creating chunk plays surrounded by 2yrds of futility every down; the equivalent of the long pass once every 10-15 "regular" plays. If it works, you look brilliant, if it doesn't then you're left with very little. I'd rather have the ability to consistently get 7-8 yards (I.e. Create lots of movement and vary the attack) while moving the chains, rather than go for the paydirt off of an intricately set pass. It's the same with his set pieces; I have no doubt that if our crazy short kicks worked correctly we'd have a real scoring chance like he basketball backdoor pick, but we waste so many opportunities trying to set them up that I'd rather we launch crosses into the box every time - Chanot can get his head on them and I'd rather him shoot high than RJ launch a 60yd field goal from the right flank.

I'm on the #Hererra4Pirlo train.
 
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