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Kjbert

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He did not have a fiduciary duty. He’s not the CFO
 

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I can promise you that NYCFC put on a full court press.

Has it once crossed your mind that maybe we were not the best option for him?
Never said NYCFC/MCFC/CFG was the best option.

What I said, and everybody else has said, is that this was a complete conflict of interests and Reyna was not able to ethically function as both the head of NYCFC’s Academy/SD and as Gio’s Dad.

I’m personally glad Gio isn’t connected to CFG as his development would have stunted at the mothership, but that’s outside of the fact that Reyna failed as SD to sign the crown jewel of the academy. Should Reyna have resigned earlier since he wouldn’t/couldn’t provide his fiduciary responsibility to the club - perhaps yes if there wasn’t a system in place to remove him from the situation as the responsible party in the org, but that’s another conversation.
 

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He did not have a fiduciary duty. He’s not the CFO
A fiduciary is a person that has the power to act on behalf of someone else.

You’re telling me that Reyna had no power to sign academy players on behalf of NYCFC/CFG? I don’t believe that for a second.
 

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I imagine CFG made the rather logical conclusion that having Claudio act as Sporting Director while either being conflicted or recusing himself regarding Gio was preferable to having Claudio resign 2-3 years ago.

Just a guess.
 

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I imagine CFG made the rather logical conclusion that having Claudio act as Sporting Director while either being conflicted or recusing himself regarding Gio was preferable to having Claudio resign 2-3 years ago.

Just a guess.
What are you basing that on?

Rumors are that CFG was furious Gio didn’t sign. Makes one wonder if they always assumed Claudio was acting in their best interest, or at least was led to believe that, and so they weren’t contemplating Gio’s jump to another club.

A few years back at the Harlem dinner event they held, somebody (maybe FredMertz FredMertz or maybe mgarbowski mgarbowski ) asked Claudio about Gio signing with the club as a HG, and he only really made reference to looking into it from the standpoint of the timing to turn pro and his age since he was 15 at the time. He was really uncomfortable even saying that. If there was a plan in place to recuse, it would have been a simple answer, but he stuttered through the explanation like he was embarrassed or didn’t want to go on record and was hedging the answer.
 

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The simple observation that he wasn't let go 2-3 years ago.
So expecting Reyna to be let go that long ago when CFG likely expected him all along to fulfill his duties of his role? Pulling the trigger that early and prematurely would be like firing your contractor building your house after excavating the basement and pouring the foundation but before he starts erecting the walls.
 

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Never said NYCFC/MCFC/CFG was the best option.

What I said, and everybody else has said, is that this was a complete conflict of interests and Reyna was not able to ethically function as both the head of NYCFC’s Academy/SD and as Gio’s Dad.

I’m personally glad Gio isn’t connected to CFG as his development would have stunted at the mothership, but that’s outside of the fact that Reyna failed as SD to sign the crown jewel of the academy. Should Reyna have resigned earlier since he wouldn’t/couldn’t provide his fiduciary responsibility to the club - perhaps yes if there wasn’t a system in place to remove him from the situation as the responsible party in the org, but that’s another conversation.
Claudio missed on a lot of guys. Messi. Ronaldo. Ibra. He should have resigned for not getting those deals across the line too then.

I understand what you are trying to do but this one wasn’t even close. Nycfc asked. Claudio asked. The kid wanted a better opportunity. The conflict here doesn’t exist. It doesn’t exist because the kid wasn’t signing here.
 

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A fiduciary is a person that has the power to act on behalf of someone else.

You’re telling me that Reyna had no power to sign academy players on behalf of NYCFC/CFG? I don’t believe that for a second.
That word doesn’t mean what you think it does.
 

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If I have this right Ulrich Ulrich - you’re upset that Claudio didn’t get a deal done for his son, but you have no complaints on the other deals he didn’t complete?

And there is no truth to the CFG Gio rumor you posited above
 

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If I have this right Ulrich Ulrich - you’re upset that Claudio didn’t get a deal done for his son, but you have no complaints on the other deals he didn’t complete?

And there is no truth to the CFG Gio rumor you posited above
No, you don’t have it right. You’re putting words in my mouth that I never posited.

Re the rumor, how would anybody know since CFG is militant with its information dissemination. There is a rumor out there that was picked up by media. Until CFG denies it, and in light of the circumstances......
 

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Claudio missed on a lot of guys. Messi. Ronaldo. Ibra. He should have resigned for not getting those deals across the line too then.

I understand what you are trying to do but this one wasn’t even close. Nycfc asked. Claudio asked. The kid wanted a better opportunity. The conflict here doesn’t exist. It doesn’t exist because the kid wasn’t signing here.
Not sure what your first paragraph has to do with the conversation, unless you’re positing that Claudio is the father of Messi, Ronaldo, and Ibra.

The second paragraph is the crux of the discussion because you’re still not admitting that it was a conflict of interest for Claudio to represent both the club and his son in this situation. Gio decision has zero to do with the fact that Claudio cannot/could not represent both parties at a 100% commitment level. Hence, a conflict of interest.
 

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No, you don’t have it right. You’re putting words in my mouth that I never posited.

Re the rumor, how would anybody know since CFG is militant with its information dissemination. There is a rumor out there that was picked up by media. Until CFG denies it, and in light of the circumstances......
I’m denying the rumor. I’m telling you it’s false.
If Gio wanted, he could have signed here and joined up with EDL in Manchester in a couple of years. He had multiple first team training offers and took one.

Let’s say you work for your hometown newspaper, The Daily News. Your son graduates and they offer him an unpaid position as a floater chasing down stories all over Staten Island. He also gets a job offer at the New York Times with pay, benefits and job security as an Op-Ed writer.

Which job should he take?
 

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Not sure what your first paragraph has to do with the conversation, unless you’re positing that Claudio is the father of Messi, Ronaldo, and Ibra.

The second paragraph is the crux of the discussion because you’re still not admitting that it was a conflict of interest for Claudio to represent both the club and his son in this situation. Gio decision has zero to do with the fact that Claudio cannot/could not represent both parties at a 100% commitment level. Hence, a conflict of interest.

How can it be a conflict if the kid was better than our offer here? It’s only a conflict if it’s a legitimately good opportunity. For a kid with a Portuguese passport who can go ply for one of the best programs in the world, how is this even an argument here?
 

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And how do you know Claudio represented his son and not Gio’s mom? What if I told you this was Gio’s decision? Would that change your mind?
 

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I’m denying the rumor. I’m telling you it’s false.
If Gio wanted, he could have signed here and joined up with EDL in Manchester in a couple of years. He had multiple first team training offers and took one.

Let’s say you work for your hometown newspaper, The Daily News. Your son graduates and they offer him an unpaid position as a floater chasing down stories all over Staten Island. He also gets a job offer at the New York Times with pay, benefits and job security as an Op-Ed writer.

Which job should he take?
Your scenario is not remotely the same as what happened.
 

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How can it be a conflict if the kid was better than our offer here? It’s only a conflict if it’s a legitimately good opportunity. For a kid with a Portuguese passport who can go ply for one of the best programs in the world, how is this even an argument here?
You still don’t understand, or acknowledge, the concept of a conflict of interest. It’s got to be willful ignorance because the conflict is plainly obvious and yet you throw out all sorts of arguments to try and distort it and change focus.
 

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I reject your premise. Once it became obvious he had better options, he was never signing here.

Unless you want to try and make the argument being in the practice squad for nycfc (like Haak) is better than playing first team football for Dortmund.
 

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I reject your premise. Once it became obvious he had better options, he was never signing here.

Unless you want to try and make the argument being in the practice squad for nycfc (like Haak) is better than playing first team football for Dortmund.
You reject the premise of what a conflict of interest is?

The problem is that you’re defending your point of view by focusing on Gio while ignoring that Claudio was the one embroidered in the conflict of interest. You’re arguing a false narrative.
 
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