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Kreis Officially Out At NYCFC

Discussion in 'Team News and Rumors' started by The Toe, Nov 2, 2015.

  1. Fantazma

    Fantazma Senior Member Seasoned Supporter

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    will he reveal anything of interest? bad mouth anyone? throw anyone under the bus? speak highly of grabavoy
     
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    D_RoyJenkins Active Member Seasoned Supporter

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    He won't badmouth anyone, won't look good to future employers
     
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  3. Nikita

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    Great reading: Hudson Blue "Why Kreis was fired by NYCFC" from 11/3/2015.
     
  4. Nikita

    Nikita Guest

    oops….that's articles on the SB Nation website…Hudson River Blues section
     
  5. Ulrich

    Ulrich Senior Member Elite Donor Donor Seasoned Supporter

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    I'm just hoping he can have a little more on-air personality than Donovan does - LD is a monotone extraordinaire that has the confidence of a deer in the headlights when talking on camera; granted, he slings with ease on twitter, but on camera its painful to watch/listen to.
     
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    Tom in Fairfield CT Senior Member Elite Donor Donor

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    HRB hates Mix and loves Kreis, Grabavoy and Jacobson. You decide if their articles are worth reading.
     
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    BxLio91 Senior Member Seasoned Supporter

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    He'll fit right in.
     
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    Kjbert Senior Member Seasoned Supporter

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    When MLS fanboys asked if he would be the next USMNT manager or the first American to manage in the Prem, I think that pretty much raised him to deity status, yes.
     
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    FredMertz Senior Member Elite Donor Donor Seasoned Supporter

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    #kreisoutagain
     
  10. Seth

    Seth Active Member Elite Donor Seasoned Supporter

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    Now begs the question. What’s the fluke? His time at RSL. Or his combined time at both NYC & Orlando? I think it’s finallt clear what type of manager he really is.
     
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    413Blue Active Member Seasoned Supporter

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    Possibly neither.
    The league evolved rapidly over the last several years and Kreis is no longer the kind of manager that works in this league. He was ideal during his RSL days, when it took a guy "who knows MLS" and was respected by the typical MLS American player of that day. Since then, the league has become higher profile, more international, and much more like soccer everywhere else, instead of the hoof it up and foul form of soccer that MLS was all about back then. He failed to adapt.

    When we hired him, I, and most others thought it was a great hire, and it probably was. What I failed to see was the direction the league would go in.

    If we launched in 2009 with Jason Kreis, we may have picked up a couple MLS cups.


    It's also possible that he just got a big head when he got our job and lost his focus.
     
  13. JayH

    JayH Senior Member Elite Donor Donor Seasoned Supporter

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    Dome > Bobby Murphy
     
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    dummyrun Active Member Elite Donor

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    When Kreis was at RSL, Sigi Schmid was considered one of the best coaches in the league. I think the answer here is a combination of (a) players are more important than coaches and (b) times have changed.
     
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  15. Midas Mulligan

    Midas Mulligan Senior Member Elite Donor Donor Seasoned Supporter International Liaison

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    Also, the coaching was shit. Especially Kreis.

    And I don’t think Sigi was considered good even then. I followed the league, and I thought he was shit. He just had a few good freestyle attackers that covered for him being shit.
     
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  16. ZYanksRule

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    Players are far more important. Look at their roster. Maybe it's not as bad as their record, but they are clearly not one of the top 3-4 teams in the East. Why did NYCFC start turning this around under Vieira? The roster saw dramatic improvement starting in Year 2.

    Coaching plays a part, but firing a coach midseason when a team is underachieving is one of the lazy sports tropes that don't really solve anything, this is just shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic.
     
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    NYCFC_JD Junior Member Elite Donor Seasoned Supporter

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    Completely agree. If we're fair to Kreis, I don't think NYCFC really ever game him the control or power or resources that it gave to Vieira... he didn't seem to have much say in bringing in Pirlo or Lampard, and he sure as hell didn't get any say in Lampard not showing up... I think it was a poor choice for him to take the Orlando job, because that situation was unstable beyond the coaches control... that's not a winning roster.
     
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    Kreis had full control over the Orlando roster. He absolutely blew it up over the last 12+ months. Remember when he mortgaged their future by dealing all of their GAM/TAM starting with the Dwyer trade. It went downhill from there with his wheeling/dealing/cutting/signing. He created that Frankenstein’s monster of a roster.
     
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    Kreis had some good attacking talent at Orlando and they couldn't cover him. That's the changing times part.

    I've always thought it was weird that soccer is so aggressive about firing coaches. Other tactically complex sports appreciate that when you hire a new coach it's going to take time to find the right players and get everybody working together.

    But soccer teams do tend to see a slight bump in performance after firing coaches, so maybe most of them just aren't that tactically complex after all.
     
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    Not sure it has anything to do with the complexities of the game or MLS 3.0. I think it's much simpler, Kries can't hold a locker room unless it's filled with guys that already know and respect him as a player. He's miserable to play for, full of whining and excuses the only time it's worked out was when he was propped up by his pre-established position and rep within RSL that he earned as a player not a coach.
     

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