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Okay I'm not sure if there is a popular opinion or not but... wtf is up with everyone treating regular free kick goals as if they're the best goals of all time?? Free kicks, when they're far from goal, are really good and "wow" me, but something like the one Huigaín scored is just "meh" for me. Okay, cool. But mls goes around fanfaring it as if it's the best goal of all time. And honestly, there were some way better goals last night than that one.
San Jose's first goal
LAG's first goal
Valeri's goal

etc.
Way better than some random-ass free kick.

Am I being obtuse about it???? Heck, Ebobisse scored a free kick too but you don't see them flipping out about it. It's just because his name is "Gonzalo Higuain" that everyone's going crazy about it, isn't it.
 

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Okay I'm not sure if there is a popular opinion or not but... wtf is up with everyone treating regular free kick goals as if they're the best goals of all time?? Free kicks, when they're far from goal, are really good and "wow" me, but something like the one Huigaín scored is just "meh" for me. Okay, cool. But mls goes around fanfaring it as if it's the best goal of all time. And honestly, there were some way better goals last night than that one.
San Jose's first goal
LAG's first goal
Valeri's goal

etc.
Way better than some random-ass free kick.

Am I being obtuse about it???? Heck, Ebobisse scored a free kick too but you don't see them flipping out about it. It's just because his name is "Gonzalo Higuain" that everyone's going crazy about it, isn't it.
it's just MLS trying to hype MLS to the rest of the world. Higuain is a global name and this is an opportunity for them to hype him and the league. It's the same reason why they continue to report on MLS exports even though they aren't part of the league. They need to and want to continue connecting MLS with any and all big names here and abroad to bring more attention to the league. You can't blame them. They are trying to grow the league and the only way to do that is to hype it up every chance they can get.

It's a sports league but in the end it's an entertainment company. They need content to entertain and they'll produce it however they can knowing that people will click, watch, and perhaps buy in later.
 

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it's just MLS trying to hype MLS to the rest of the world. Higuain is a global name and this is an opportunity for them to hype him and the league. It's the same reason why they continue to report on MLS exports even though they aren't part of the league. They need to and want to continue connecting MLS with any and all big names here and abroad to bring more attention to the league. You can't blame them. They are trying to grow the league and the only way to do that is to hype it up every chance they can get.

It's a sports league but in the end it's an entertainment company. They need content to entertain and they'll produce it however they can knowing that people will click, watch, and perhaps buy in later.
hmm... I guess in general I was venting about the higuaín thing, but as a whole I was venting more about the fact that somehow free kick goals are seen as "magical" when they're very standard ones, whereas I think "meh, okay, cool." What am I missing?
 

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hmm... I guess in general I was venting about the higuaín thing, but as a whole I was venting more about the fact that somehow free kick goals are seen as "magical" when they're very standard ones, whereas I think "meh, okay, cool." What am I missing?
I think M moogoo is onto part of it, but you're right it's more general, and I think it's even more general than you state and sports are generally suffering from highlight inflation. We went from having a single 90-minute highlight show for all sports each week (Wide World of Sports) and limited ability to watch anything but local teams, to 24 hour ESPN plus season passes to every game, and then 47,000 twitter accounts desperate for eyeballs.
At first it was great because the inventory of great plays was much bigger than what we used to be able to see, and we all were happy to see it, but now our pipeline capacity for great sports exceeds both the supply and the demand, plus fans realized that what seemed unique -- because it was withheld from us -- was really somewhat routine, and so we have forced videogasm voiceovers for walk-off-HBPs in baseball and unremarkable 3-pointers and standard free kicks.
 
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I think M moogoo is onto part of it, but you're right it's more general, and I think it's even more general than you state and sports are generally suffering from highlight inflation. We went from having a single 90-minute highlight show for all sports each week (Wide World of Sports) and limited ability to watch anything but local teams, to 24 hour ESPN plus season passes to every game, and then 47,000 twitter accounts desperate for eyeballs.
At first it was great because the inventory of great plays was much bigger than what we used to be able to see, and we all were happy to see it, but now our pipeline capacity for great sports exceeds both the supply and the demand, plus fans realized that what seemed unique -- because it was withheld from us -- was really somewhat routine, and so we have forced videogasm voiceovers for walk-off-HBPs in baseball and unremarkable 3-pointers and standard free kicks.
Pretty much what I've been thinking, yeah. You can watch the players do it 50 times in training but then in a game? pfft wow.
The only case I think it's really special is someone like giovinco - where he just banged one in no matter what, and it was just amazing to watch how many he could hit.

But I guess yeah, it's more like a watered-down thing. If we're talking about between every team, then it's not a big deal -- but if we look at NYCFC, how often do we score free kicks? So the time it goes in, that's special. I think is what you're getting at. And back in the day, you wouldn't have had all the coverage of the rest of the universe too. That makes sense.
 
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What is the web design logic that causes many sites to make it harder to find the Sign-In page than Sign-Up page? Often the home page has a single link for both that goes to Sign Up, then requires a second click to find Sign In. I get why they want to make signing up easy, but this is not a Zero Sum game and Signing In also should never be more than 1-click away from the home page.
 
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What is the web design logic that causes many sites to make it harder to find the Sign-In page than Sign-Up page? Often the home page has a single link for both that goes to Sign Up, then requires a second click to find Sign In. I get why they want to make signing up easy, but this is not a Zero Sum game and Signing In also should never be more than 1-click away from the home page.
that bothers me too. but i think the logic is simply screen real estate. it's not as efficient to place a login and a signup link both on the same page. so they consolidate it.
 

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that bothers me too. but i think the logic is simply screen real estate. it's not as efficient to place a login and a signup link both on the same page. so they consolidate it.
That's my assumption too, but if so then the people behind it are dumber than rocks. This screen is nowhere near cluttered and could easily fit separate links and this is pretty representative.

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That's my assumption too, but if so then the people behind it are dumber than rocks. This screen is nowhere near cluttered and could easily fit separate links and this is pretty representative.

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at least that one has "sign up" and "login" so you know to click there. i've seen many, like lion mentioned, where it simply says "sign up" adn then after the click the popup or page has a TINY little link saying "already have an account? log in here" or something. that is truly annoying
 

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All Time Playoff Round Wins For MLS Teams Who Entered League in 2015 Or Later

More Playoff Round Wins Than NYCFC

Atlanta (4 MLS Seasons, 5 Round Wins, 1 MLS Cup, 1 USOC, 1 Campeones Cup)
Minnesota (4 Seasons, 2 Round Wins)
Nashville (1 Season, 2 Round Wins)

Same Number Of Playoff Round Wins As NYCFC
Orlando (6 seasons, 1 round win)
LAFC* (3 seasons, 1 round win, also 1 Supporters Shield)

Fewer Playoff Round Wins Than NYCFC
Cincinnati (2 seasons, zero)
Miami (1 season, zero)

Basically NYCFC has achieved more than Cincinnati and Miami, and the same as Orlando.
* LAFC is really at least a half notch ahead because of the Shield, but I wanted to keep the table focused on one variable.
 
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All Time Playoff Round Wins For MLS Teams Who Entered League in 2015 Or Later

More Playoff Round Wins Than NYCFC

Atlanta (4 MLS Seasons, 5 Round Wins, 1 MLS Cup, 1 USOC, 1 Campeones Cup)
Minnesota (4 Seasons, 2 Round Wins)
Nashville (1 Season, 2 Round Wins)

Same Number Of Playoff Round Wins As NYCFC
Orlando (7 seasons, 1 round win)
LAFC* (3 seasons, 1 round win, also 1 Supporters Shield)

Fewer Playoff Round Wins Than NYCFC
Cincinnati (2 seasons, zero)
Miami (1 season, zero)

Basically NYCFC has achieved more than Cincinnati and Miami, and the same as Orlando.
* LAFC is really at least a half notch ahead because of the Shield, but I wanted to keep the table focused on one variable.
You should also include how many times they've made the playoffs here
 

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You should also include how many times they've made the playoffs here
I think it muddies things. What does it add, for example, that Minnesota made the playoffs twice to our 5 times to the existing info that they played 4 seasons to our 6, yet have more playoff success.

Making the playoffs is really an indirect measure of regular season success, which I happen to value quite highly, but it's also a different beast altogether. Also, just counting our playoff appearances under-serves NYCFC. NYCFC does not just consistently make the playoffs. NYCFC has more points from 2015-2020 than all but 1 MLS team. Exclude 2015, and for the past 5 years nobody has more points, and the next best team is 12 points back. That's more games over five full years where you turn off the TV, or ride home on the train or in your car with a smile, than fans of any other team. That's worth a lot, and just saying we consistently make the playoffs does not do it justice. But, accumulating all those points and never winning any trophies, and especially not even managing once to win Supporters' Shield (in part because our coaches keep quitting so we never have had a full stable season when the roster, coach, and system all hummed at max capacity) stings.
 

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I think it muddies things. What does it add, for example, that Minnesota made the playoffs twice to our 5 times to the existing info that they played 4 seasons to our 6, yet have more playoff success.

Making the playoffs is really an indirect measure of regular season success, which I happen to value quite highly, but it's also a different beast altogether. Also, just counting our playoff appearances under-serves NYCFC. NYCFC does not just consistently make the playoffs. NYCFC has more points from 2015-2020 than all but 1 MLS team. Exclude 2015, and for the past 5 years nobody has more points, and the next best team is 12 points back. That's more games over five full years where you turn off the TV, or ride home on the train or in your car with a smile, than fans of any other team. That's worth a lot, and just saying we consistently make the playoffs does not do it justice. But, accumulating all those points and never winning any trophies, and especially not even managing once to win Supporters' Shield (in part because our coaches keep quitting so we never have had a full stable season when the roster, coach, and system all hummed at max capacity) stings.
I was just thinking in terms of playoff efficiency. 2 wins in 4 playoff appearances vs 5 wins in 3 playoff appearances, etc.
 
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All Time Playoff Round Wins For MLS Teams Who Entered League in 2015 Or Later

More Playoff Round Wins Than NYCFC

Atlanta (4 MLS Seasons, 5 Round Wins, 1 MLS Cup, 1 USOC, 1 Campeones Cup)
Minnesota (4 Seasons, 2 Round Wins)
Nashville (1 Season, 2 Round Wins)

Same Number Of Playoff Round Wins As NYCFC
Orlando (6 seasons, 1 round win)
LAFC* (3 seasons, 1 round win, also 1 Supporters Shield)

Fewer Playoff Round Wins Than NYCFC
Cincinnati (2 seasons, zero)
Miami (1 season, zero)

Basically NYCFC has achieved more than Cincinnati and Miami, and the same as Orlando.
* LAFC is really at least a half notch ahead because of the Shield, but I wanted to keep the table focused on one variable.
Feel like this shows pretty clearly why it’s misguided to focus on our playoff woes when evaluating the club. Does anyone seriously think Minnesota and Nashville are objectively more successful than us? That it’s basically a wash between us and Orlando since 2015?

As you say later on, the consistency we’ve shown in the post-Kreis years is a good sign of where we’re at. A brutal spate of Mata brain farts and slapstick PK shootouts shouldn’t distract from that.
 

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Sims put the same stat in the season ticket holder email - NYCFC has more wins than any other team over the last five years. To be in that position with zero trophies shows how much the team has underperformed when it matters.