Alexander Ring to NYCFC

[Tom in Fairfield CT]

looks like it would be:

Lewis/TMac-----Villa------Harrison/Shelton/Camargo
-------------------Ring--------------------
----------Pirlo---------CDM------------
Matarrita--Callens--Chanot--Allen----------

 

[Tom in Fairfield CT]

If you have a system where there is one CDM, then I agree, that is not Ring's role. If there are two defensive midfielders, Ring can be one of them.

With Pirlo on the team, we really need a dedicated CDM.

 

[yogicen]

If you have a system where there is one CDM, then I agree, that is not Ring's role. If there are two defensive midfielders, Ring can be one of them.

Exactly what I mean
Ring - CDM - Pirlo

 

[yogicen]

looks like it would be:

Lewis/TMac-----Villa------Harrison/Shelton/Camargo
-------------------Ring--------------------
----------Pirlo---------CDM------------
Matarrita--Callens--Chanot--Allen----------

Camargo best position is CAM. He could be like Lamp

 

[adam]

looks like it would be:

Lewis/TMac-----Villa------Harrison/Shelton/Camargo
-------------------Ring--------------------
----------Pirlo---------CDM------------
Matarrita--Callens--Chanot--Allen----------

We could try:

Lewis/TMac-----Villa------Harrison/Shelton/Camargo
-------------------Ring--------------------
----------Pirlo---------Chanot------------
Matarrita--Callens--Brilliant--Allen----------

 

[gbservis]

With Pirlo on the team, we really need a dedicated CDM.

We seem to be going after box to box cm type players with decent defensive skills. We don't have to play a dedicated cdm if we flank Pilo with high defensive work rate cms.

 

[Tom in Fairfield CT]

We seem to be going after box to box cm type players with decent defensive skills. We don't have to play a dedicated cdm if we flank Pilo with high defensive work rate cms.

Didn't we try that with bravo and mix?

 

[gbservis]

Didn't we try that with bravo and mix?

Yeah and neither of those players have to right skill set to do that. Bravo was missing the speed and offensive skill to go box to box and position himself in space to unlock Pirlo. Mix had the offensive side down and the work rate but he plays defense like a 12 year old afraid of getting hurt. It looks effective because he's all over the place but when it comes time to make a tackle he pokes at the ball, bounces off and never goes to ground. It might be annoying to the opposition but it rarely resulted in a dispossession or kept the opposition from doing what they wanted.

 

[Tom in Fairfield CT]

Yeah and neither of those players have to right skill set to do that. Bravo was missing the speed and offensive skill to go box to box and position himself in space to unlock Pirlo. Mix had the offensive side down and the work rate but he plays defense like a 12 year old afraid of getting hurt. It looks effective because he's all over the place but when it comes time to make a tackle he pokes at the ball, bounces off and never goes to ground. It might be annoying to the opposition but it rarely resulted in a dispossession or kept the opposition from doing what they wanted.

That's factually incorrect about Mix, but I'm done arguing about him.

 

[Midas Mulligan]

grrrr....sitting on my hands right now...

Quick, someone tell me about Ring's passing range.

 

[sbrylski]

Didn't we try that with bravo and mix?

Did we? I don't recall this at all, definitely not for any significant period of time.

I agree that a "flat" midfield of Ring - Pirlo - CM could work great with the right two mids alongside Pirlo, in theory.

 

[Tom in Fairfield CT]

Did we? I don't recall this at all, definitely not for any significant period of time.

I agree that a "flat" midfield of Ring - Pirlo - CM could work great with the right two mids alongside Pirlo, in theory.

My mind is going, but I thought before we went with Iraola that Bravo was the choice, and he never sat back like a CDM

 

[sbrylski]

My mind is going, but I thought before we went with Iraola that Bravo was the choice, and he never sat back like a CDM

I'm almost positive he sat back like a CDM. People around here started talking like Bravo is one of the best CDM in the league after 2-3 good games there (I specifically remember arguing against the hype), then I think he got a red card or injury or something and was rotational for a while until Iraola took hold of the CDM spot.

 

[Tom in Fairfield CT]

Heres game 1: chicago mix and tmac at CM: (Diskerud highest rated player btw)

Game 2: weird box midfield with bravo next to Pirlo 343 -- Game 3 and 4 essentially same thing (bravo ended up next to Hernandez like a CB


Game 5: back to Mix and TMac next to Pirlo-- same for game 6


So looks like we tried to 2 CMs next to Pirlo, but it was Tmac and Mix. Didn't look too good in those early games either.

 

[leilanikali420]

Mix = the forums' Godwin's Law. Even after he is dropped I am sure he will continue to derail every thread - even the Game of Thrones thread.

 

[Schwallacus]

Mix = the forums' Godwin's Law. Even after he is dropped I am sure he will continue to derail every thread - even the Game of Thrones thread.

Mix of Thrones

 

[leilanikali420]

Mix of Thrones

[Insert character] was presumed to be talented in the Free Cities and completely undervalued by The Realm...subsequent derail into a Mix's Law.

 

[sbrylski]

Heres game 1: chicago mix and tmac at CM: (Diskerud highest rated player btw)
View attachment 6435
Game 2: weird box midfield with bravo next to Pirlo 343 -- Game 3 and 4 essentially same thing (bravo ended up next to Hernandez like a CB
View attachment 6434

Game 5: back to Mix and TMac next to Pirlo-- same for game 6
View attachment 6435

So looks like we tried to 2 CMs next to Pirlo, but it was Tmac and Mix. Didn't look too good in those early games either.

Thanks for the deep dive.

I would argue that TMac definitely isn't the type of CM that would work next to Pirlo. One would think Mix is, but... let's not rehash that.

I still think it can work with two defensively-minded CMs with ability to go forward, rather than two offensively-minded CMs trying to remember to track back.

 

[Midas Mulligan]

My mind is going, but I thought before we went with Iraola that Bravo was the choice, and he never sat back like a CDM

I think maybe you don't remember it because he was never in the right position. But he definitely wasn't going box to box very much.

eta: I see your data now. I'm sticking with the idea that he was at least supposed to be a dm most any time he played.

 

[D_RoyJenkins]

Mix = the forums' Godwin's Law. Even after he is dropped I am sure he will continue to derail every thread - even the Game of Thrones thread.

You might be joking but there's a good comparison to be made between Mix and Robb Stark