American Dps For Nycfc
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Benny D
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I'm with you on that. The WC boosted the USMNT's popularity big time. I'm sure a lot of folks don't follow the european leagues and have no idea who villa or lampard are... but you know they know julian green, you know?
Doesn't matter if you know who Julian Green is, he's signed to Bayern Munich and probably would never play in the US. I hope its Jones or someone from the USMNT and not Frank though.
Actually, we could. We aren't apparently, but we could by signing Jones as a DP and then just a bit of finagling to trade up to to first in allocation order.
If the new CBA will indeed change the salary cap to $5mm and/or add a DP slot, it would work just fine with both being free transfers. Rosenborg can't seem to get their shit together, so I doubt Mix re-signs there. He may yet transfer this window. We'll see I guess.
Anyway, long story short, see first paragraph.
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Possibly. Supposedly you go thru allocation ONLY if the signing isn't big enough, by that I mean isn't millions for a transfer fee (Dempsey, Bradley etc). Since Mix and Jones would be free transfers, I do think they would go through allocation order.
However NYCFC should have 1st or 2nd on that list being a expansion team. So one at least would be possible, but NYCFC would probably have to trade to get another top allocation spot.
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Current allocation now is:
- Columbus Crew
- FC Dallas
- DC United (swap with Philadelphia on Jan 14)
- Vancouver Whitecaps
- Chicago Fire
- Montreal Impact
- San Jose Earthquakes
- New England Revolution
- Colorado Rapids
- Chivas USA (swap with Seattle Sounders on Dec 11)
- LA Galaxy
- New York Red Bulls
- Toronto FC
- Portland Timbers
- Real Salt Lake
- Sporting KC
- Philadelphia Union (Maurice Edu)
- Seattle Sounders FC (Marco Pappa)
- Houston Dynamo (DeMarcus Beasley)
I mean, if you're the only team meeting the player's price, then you're effectively first.
I don't think it's quite like the baseball waiver wire.
From what I can tell, MLS takes a straw poll as to who is interested and at what level, then they put the club they think strikes the right balance of likelihood of acceptance and financial reasonableness (to MLS, whatever that may be) and stick that club's name on the offer. Voila, there's your allocation process. I'm not in the meeting of course, but that's the vibe I get.
MagnusPax
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Actually no, MLS clubs scout on their own, tell the league who they like and then they get an official Discovery claim on that player. Thats how non-returning MLS or USMNT player signings work. Those players go through Allocation Order. And it isn't free agency, where clubs are free to negotiate with the player.
MagnusPax
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I am not sure, but I would imagine NYCFC or Orlando must have some ability now to claim someone who comes through Allocation. Just haven't figured that one out.
Wait, it sounds like you're agreeing with me. And I thought I was agreeing with your point before.
Seriously, if I strike the "actually, no" from your post, I feel like you're saying what I said.
From what I've been reading/seeing lately, Columbus Crew and their fan base could really use a new signing (especially a big name from the USMNT).
There are some interesting nuggets in the Beasley article from MLS that sort of support my take on the allocation process being totally subjective in its application. I really think the actual process has to be pretty close to that informal.
http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/artic...rld-cup-veteran-damarcus-beasley-close-intl-p
According to MLS rules, Designated Players of a certain threshold - as determined by the league - are subject to the allocation ranking.
Mix had a good day in Europa qualifier play yesterday.
http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/artic...eads-charge-rosenborg-rally-europa-league-qua
http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/artic...eads-charge-rosenborg-rally-europa-league-qua
The US midfielder, who entered play in the 27th minute, assisted on the first of two Mike Jensen goals that flipped the scoreline after intermission. Three minutes out of the break, Diskerud notched his first career Europa League helper by feeding Jensen to even the aggregate tally at 3-3.
Shortly after the hour, Diskerud led another rush that resulted in Jensen cleaning up a rebound for the tie winner. The American had a good chance to add an insurance marker in stoppage time, only to have his area shot snuffed out by a saving block.
Shortly after the hour, Diskerud led another rush that resulted in Jensen cleaning up a rebound for the tie winner. The American had a good chance to add an insurance marker in stoppage time, only to have his area shot snuffed out by a saving block.
MagnusPax
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To be honest, I feel like I am using Google Translate on this forum sometimes. Are all you guys Americans?
Anyways, all I wanted to say was that it isn't individual teams negotiating with players and signing them. All clubs do is scout the player and then tell MLS they want to sign the player, someday. This is called a Discovery Claim. Most times the players don't even know it. I bet there are tons of players all over the world that are claimed by various MLS clubs and have no clue. MLS negotiates with the players on behalf of the clubs.
Now if the player in question is a returning MLS player OR a USMNT member, then its the allocation order. This is further complicated if MLS is spending a lot of money on the transfer. If they are, it trumps the allocation order. This is the Threshold that you are referring to.
A great effort, to be sure, but I'm not sure I would take his contribution against Sligo Rovers as evidence of immense quality. Even lowly Chivas would give them a decent match (as would most of the top half League One clubs).
He has skill but I am still not sure he would be the best use of the last DP slot.
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