COVID-19 - Leagues Suspended

 
LionNYC said:
Something else I'd like to pose: What will be the noticeable changes in everyday life moving forward?

9/11 changed security and privacy. TSA in airports and greater intelligence gathering.

We've had SARS and H1N1 in this country, but people in America weren't wearing masks outside when going about their daily life. When I go outside now most of the people that I see are wearing some form of mask or face covering. Whenever MLS resumes, sports will likely be one of the only times of mass gathering that I will participate in (others that come to mind are movies, public transportation, religious services).

List as a prohibited item at Yankee Stadium are:
  • masks or costumes
If someone doesn't feel comfortable going to an NYCFC match unless they wear a face covering/surgical/N95 mask to a game, will they be prohibited from going?
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I don't think we see fans at sporting events until some time in 2021 after the vaccine is widely available.
 
My post-virus predictions:
  • Despite being one of the earliest places to hit peak, New York will be among the last to begin opening up and among the very last to fully return to normal, because of density and subway use for daily travel.
  • NYC, and particularly Manhattan, will lose a significant percentage of office based businesses, just as we did after 9/11, as firms decide they cannot concentrate as much of their workforce in any one place, especially one that had to close down for so long. There will be a glut of Manhattan office space and rents will be cheap.
  • Companies nationwide will emphasize work from home, and smaller dispersed office units.
  • Both of the previous 2 points will begin to reverse in 7-10 years as memories fade (again, just as they did after 9/11). In NYC professional and financial firms kept their professionals in Manhattan, mostly because those professionals demanded it, but moved most of their back office lower prestige, lower pay jobs out of NYC after 9/11. Eventually this was offset by tech companies who moved to NYC also at the behest of their workforce. Something similar will happen again and the work in office/work from home debate seems to run cyclically. The slow overall trend is definitely away from central offices, but it is not a straight slope.
  • But I do not expect NYC's next business remound to be as robust. The same professional class who insisted on staying in Manhattan after it became clear 9/11 was a one-off will find a significant portion of them either (1) continuing to WFH 2-3 days per week, or (2) wanting to get the hell out of NYC altogether. The general rule for NYC professionals is you live and work in NYC when young, then move your home out of NYC when you approach middle age, while still working there. Now, the middle aged professional class will have a much weaker desire to be in NYC. This will represent a structural shift that will never fully reverse.
  • The next NYC mayor will have a horrible budget reality.
 
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mgarbowski said:
My post-virus predictions:
  • Despite being one of the earliest places to hit peak, New York will be among the last to begin opening up and among the very last to fully return to normal, because of density and subway use for daily travel.
  • NYC, and particularly Manhattan, will lose a significant percentage of office based businesses, just as we did after 9/11, as firms decide they cannot concentrate as much of their workforce in any one place, especially one that had to close down for so long. There will be a glut of Manhattan office space and rents will be cheap.
  • Companies nationwide will emphasize work from home, and smaller dispersed office units.
  • Both of the previous 2 points will begin to reverse in 7-10 years as memories fade (again, just as they did after 9/11). In NYC professional and financial firms kept their professionals in Manhattan, mostly because those professionals demanded it, but moved most of their back office lower prestige, lower pay jobs out of NYC after 9/11. Eventually this was offset by tech companies who moved to NYC also at the behest of their workforce. Something similar will happen again and the work on office/work from home debate seems to run cyclically. The slow overall trend is definitely away from central offices, but it is not a straight slope.
  • But I do not expect NYC's next business remound to be as robust. The same professional class who insisted on staying in Manhattan after it became clear 9/11 was a one-off will find a significant portion of them either (1) continuing to WFH 2-3 days per week, or (2) wanting to get the hell out of NYC altogether. The general rule for NYC professionals is you live and work in NYC when young, then move your home out of NYC when you approach middle age, while still working there. Now, the middle aged professional class will have a much weaker desire to be in NYC. This will represent a structural shift that will never fully reverse.
  • The next NYC mayor will have a horrible budget reality.
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Agree to a point, but the variable that will keep people in the city is that all the areas that the affluent have left the city to wait this out don’t have the same level of medical care/amount of. When Covid-19 invades those enclaves, they’re all going to realize they’re on a proverbial island for care. NYC is stretched thin, but it has world class facilities that I’d rather rely on than the regional hospital with middling capacity.

And agree, WFH, and 50/50 scheduling of staff in office, will probably become more common. employees will start to demand more compensation if they need to keep an office space - that’ll be interesting to see how companies react.
 
LionNYC said:
Something else I'd like to pose: What will be the noticeable changes in everyday life moving forward?

9/11 changed security and privacy. TSA in airports and greater intelligence gathering.

We've had SARS and H1N1 in this country, but people in America weren't wearing masks outside when going about their daily life. When I go outside now most of the people that I see are wearing some form of mask or face covering. Whenever MLS resumes, sports will likely be one of the only times of mass gathering that I will participate in (others that come to mind are movies, public transportation, religious services).

List as a prohibited item at Yankee Stadium are:
  • masks or costumes
If someone doesn't feel comfortable going to an NYCFC match unless they wear a face covering/surgical/N95 mask to a game, will they be prohibited from going?
Click to expand...

I've certainly seen people with surgical masks at Yankees and NYCFC games.
 
mgarbowski said:
My post-virus predictions:
  • Despite being one of the earliest places to hit peak, New York will be among the last to begin opening up and among the very last to fully return to normal, because of density and subway use for daily travel.
  • NYC, and particularly Manhattan, will lose a significant percentage of office based businesses, just as we did after 9/11, as firms decide they cannot concentrate as much of their workforce in any one place, especially one that had to close down for so long. There will be a glut of Manhattan office space and rents will be cheap.
  • Companies nationwide will emphasize work from home, and smaller dispersed office units.
  • Both of the previous 2 points will begin to reverse in 7-10 years as memories fade (again, just as they did after 9/11). In NYC professional and financial firms kept their professionals in Manhattan, mostly because those professionals demanded it, but moved most of their back office lower prestige, lower pay jobs out of NYC after 9/11. Eventually this was offset by tech companies who moved to NYC also at the behest of their workforce. Something similar will happen again and the work in office/work from home debate seems to run cyclically. The slow overall trend is definitely away from central offices, but it is not a straight slope.
  • But I do not expect NYC's next business remound to be as robust. The same professional class who insisted on staying in Manhattan after it became clear 9/11 was a one-off will find a significant portion of them either (1) continuing to WFH 2-3 days per week, or (2) wanting to get the hell out of NYC altogether. The general rule for NYC professionals is you live and work in NYC when young, then move your home out of NYC when you approach middle age, while still working there. Now, the middle aged professional class will have a much weaker desire to be in NYC. This will represent a structural shift that will never fully reverse.
  • The next NYC mayor will have a horrible budget reality.
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one thing i'd like to see happen is congress passing a federal paid sick leave requirement to match those of other wealthy and developed nations around the world. and of course, increasing the budget of the infectious disease department so they can restock all stockpiles after this is all over. something that did not happen after the swine flu epidemic.
 
Kjbert said:
yea. not so sure we're the richest owners in global soccer right now. Not with $20 oil
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Yea but when we pull out of this travel shutdown and half the shale producers have gone bankrupt, taking several million barrels a day off the market, the monarchies will be enjoying $80 oil and all the market share they can handle.
 
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NYCFC_Dan said:
I can write an essay on the dumb things I’m seeing in the store every day. Today I saw a lady wearing latex gloves lick her latex finger to open a plastic bag. Natural selection please do your part.
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My favorite is seeing people remove their masks to talk to people. We're simply not accustomed to this lifestyle.
 
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