How Do You Think Nyc Fc Would Perform If There Were More To Lose...

[Tim Sanchez]

Suppose MLS operates like most other leagues and relegates the 2 worst teams to NASL...Do you think if they had more to lose they would be under more pressure to perform?

As mentioned in previous threads, attendance will continue to be up there, i know its early in the season but i was just thinking about this idea and why MLS doesn't do it....instead they just seem to treat NASL / USL like a farm system.

 

[Ahab_Flanders]

The thing about Pro/Rel is that teams still get relegated. Having the threat of dropping down hanging over a teams head doesn't magically solve all performance issues.

We're an expansion team with a ragtag bunch of cast offs on the field. Shit's gonna take time to gel and of course it has been disappointing so far, but I don't think the team is just not trying because there isn't enough on the line.

 

[Z4CH3B99]

Suppose MLS operates like most other leagues and relegates the 2 worst teams to NASL...Do you think if they had more to lose they would be under more pressure to perform?

As mentioned in previous threads, attendance will continue to be up there, i know its early in the season but i was just thinking about this idea and why MLS doesn't do it....instead they just seem to treat NASL / USL like a farm system.

I'm not sure that the pro/rel system would be fair for us. We're a team full of ragtag outcasts who've only been playing together for 10 games. While that might seem like a long time, it really isn't. If anything this type of system should only be used with teams that have been in the league for more than a year or two.

 

[Tim Sanchez]

The thing about Pro/Rel is that teams still get relegated. Having the threat of dropping down hanging over a teams head doesn't magically solve all performance issues.

We're an expansion team with a ragtag bunch of cast offs on the field. Shit's gonna take time to gel and of course it has been disappointing so far, but I don't think the team is just not trying because there isn't enough on the line.

Hmmm thats a good point. i hope time helps. What do you think would light a fire under their asses?

 

[NYC Football Fan]

Suppose MLS operates like most other leagues and relegates the 2 worst teams to NASL...Do you think if they had more to lose they would be under more pressure to perform?

As mentioned in previous threads, attendance will continue to be up there, i know its early in the season but i was just thinking about this idea and why MLS doesn't do it....instead they just seem to treat NASL / USL like a farm system.

If NYCFC had been promoted instead of coming in as another MLS franchise then you can bet that CFG would be using as many of their resources as possible and spending whatever it takes to make sure that the franchise remained in the first division. In other words, they would take the team much more serious.

However, if pro/rel existed, NYCFC would be somewhere in the country's 4th or 5th division and CFG would be using as many of their resources as possible and spending what it takes to make sure that the franchise reaches the first division.

Since there is no threat of being relegated or no incentive to win as a "expansion franchise" CFG doesn't seem to be to concerned how the team does as long as NYCFC continues to be a marketing gimmick for Manchester City.

 

[The Toe]

Could you imagine a guy like David Villa relegated to the NASL a year out from playing in the Champion's League final?

 

[Keith Putnam]

Never mind pro/rel (which I like the idea of, but is super unlikely for a few more decades or barring total reorganization of US Soccer), there would be "more to lose" if MLS would just reduce the number of playoff spots, or eliminate the playoffs altogether and go strictly by table standing like every other league in the world. Playoffs are obviously the American Sports Way, but we're soccer fans; we're used to a different structure.

 

[BxLio91]

Cool "Pro/Rel in Disguise" thread bro

 

[Vallos]

Being a relative newcomer to this fine sport, perhaps my naivety speaks volumes, but the concept of promotion/regulation is something I don't think I can financially support. Paying season tickets to watch a lower tier division/league is not my cup of tea. It is why I do not watch minor league baseball games. I want to see the best of the best this country can offer, whether it is my team or another. The same goes for getting rid of the playoff system. The fight to the playoffs is thrilling in and of itself. The playoff system affords us to have two seasons in one. That is how I see it. You fight and claw your way to be among the chosen few, then you reset and do it again to win the ultimate prize.

 

[Tim Sanchez]

As the weeks go on, I can't help but think about this topic. I look at it like the knicks, they sell the garden out like every game and cheapest tickets are like $100, they are making money and they suck, they don't give the fans too much to really hope for, just promises...and they didnt have the huge urgency to succeed....ie, it didnt hit them too hard in the pockets....the nets move to brooklyn and finally they start making moves (phil jackson, opening up their roster, building a team)..
I think CFG would put more pressure, if there were more at stake.

And as far as the playoffs, i think thats a good thing, it may have to be structured differently but gives a fair chance to smaller clubs, instead of the 4 richest teams always winning---speaking of american, id love to see the old NASL rules about tie games re-surface

 

[FredMertz]

Trying to answer this question is a fool's errand, as there would be no NYCFC if there was promotion/relegation. That would mean no expansion teams, and MLS wouldn't willingly give up the ability to get hundreds of millions of dollars in expansion fees.

I love the promotion/relegation aspect of other soccer leagues, but the horse has left that barn on that -- if you don't start that way, almost impossible to every implement.

 

[edurban]

First, I love pro/rel.
Second, it's irrelevant to our situation because a newly created team in, say, England would have to start non-League and fight it's way to the top. Would take years, if it ever happened at all. Think Metropolitan Police FC, not NYCFC.
Third, relegation fears sometimes inspire a club and sometimes not. You may get Leicester City (heroic, defiant)...or you may get QPR (sluggish, depressed, pathetic, doomed.)

 

[AndreT_NY]

You guys are aware that there is alot of footy to be played this year? I am certain that things will turn around and we will not be in the bottom of the table come October. That said I love how fans come in and blame CFG as usual for the poor performance. They either are too involved or not enough. Please make up your mind.

 

[BxLio91]

Could it that one can be too involved in certain situations and not enough in others?

 

[AndreT_NY]

Could it that one can be too involved in certain situations and not enough in others?

Individually? Sure. As a blanket catchall which is how it's being used. I disagree.

 

[Andres Emilio Soto]

Being a relative newcomer to this fine sport, perhaps my naivety speaks volumes, but the concept of promotion/regulation is something I don't think I can financially support. Paying season tickets to watch a lower tier division/league is not my cup of tea. It is why I do not watch minor league baseball games. I want to see the best of the best this country can offer, whether it is my team or another. The same goes for getting rid of the playoff system. The fight to the playoffs is thrilling in and of itself. The playoff system affords us to have two seasons in one. That is how I see it. You fight and claw your way to be among the chosen few, then you reset and do it again to win the ultimate prize.

Great point @Vallos . One question popped in mind though as I read your signature. Did you support the Knicks in any way/shape or form this season? I'm a die hard Knicks fan and it wasn't until this year that I had to FINALLY stop myself from watching them play or support them. It was a difficult season and yes I went to a few games but nowhere near compared to what I did in the past 25 years.

My point is that relegation helps leagues always have competitive teams in the top division. Now imagine if the NBA had relegation where would the Knicks be today? Just a fun idea to ponder.

 

[Amon]

Great point @Vallos . One question popped in mind though as I read your signature. Did you support the Knicks in any way/shape or form this season? I'm a die hard Knicks fan and it wasn't until this year that I had to FINALLY stop myself from watching them play or support them. It was a difficult season and yes I went to a few games but nowhere near compared to what I did in the past 25 years.

My point is that relegation helps leagues always have competitive teams in the top division. Now imagine if the NBA had relegation where would the Knicks be today? Just a fun idea to ponder.

They'd be in the WNBA lol

 

[gbservis]

I am all for Pro/Rel but I don't think MLS can change to a system like that without changing a whole bunch of other things in the process. The salary cap, super draft, re-entry draft, allocation order ect. are all mechanisms to attempt to force parity. Pro/Rel and parity don't mix. In Europe the big teams are fine with Pro/Rel because they know they have the financial resources to basically reduce their relegation risk to zero.

I don't understand the lack of patience and the demand for urgency. Its an expansion team, who cares if we finish dead last this year, we can grab our next Shelton in the draft. Everyone is clamoring for DP3 but most DP contracts are at least 2 years. What if CFG knew they could get someone crazy, a major talent, under 30 that could be a game changer for the club for years during the summer transfer window next year. Would you rather they go out and sign some aging mid-teir DP just because people are demanding that we win now? Even Via, Mix, Lampard and DP3 cant make up for the fact that the rest of the roster is essentially filled with players no one wanted. Do you want them to just fill the roster with the best players they can get right now and tie up all of our international non-DP slots and cap space. Then a year down the road a promising players pop up and we have no cap room to sign them?

 

[LeeNYCFC]

Pro/Rel is an enjoyable concept in other leagues but I believe the "American" sports business model will be stronger long-term. It offers far more financial stability and ability to plan than a club with a relegation threat can have. That leads to wage stability and player stability and through that a better product on the field. We should embrace the American sports model and look forward to it gaining ground on other leagues in the future.

 

[Vallos]

Great point @Vallos . One question popped in mind though as I read your signature. Did you support the Knicks in any way/shape or form this season? I'm a die hard Knicks fan and it wasn't until this year that I had to FINALLY stop myself from watching them play or support them. It was a difficult season and yes I went to a few games but nowhere near compared to what I did in the past 25 years.

My point is that relegation helps leagues always have competitive teams in the top division. Now imagine if the NBA had relegation where would the Knicks be today? Just a fun idea to ponder.

I always make it a point to attend games regardless how bad or good the team is doing, but I will admit that I attended less games this year due to the Knicks horrid season. Nevertheless, I do support the team when ever my finances will allow it. Even though the team was a complete embarrassment, I still enjoyed watching the stars from Cleveland and Golden State perform their magic, albeit at our expense. This is something that will not come to pass if the Knicks were regulated to the D-League.