In Defense Of Kreis...

This phenomenon is pretty common in sports. Fans running around the internet looking for someone to burn at the stake. "Obviously Kries should be fired because I've played a 3-5-2 for an entire imaginary season in FIFA and I've won every game." Most of the time it's the coach and one or two players that serve as a catalyst for disdain. "Player X has no business being on the pitch, it's very obvious that I can take his place on the squad. Did I mention I play pub league?"

Playoffs in your first season of existence is a tough goal, no matter how much money you have dumped into the team. I think 1.5 years is a little shallow for a timeline for success. I would assume we would give any coach up to three years to win the league, and unless the last was whoely unsuccessful or there is another candidate with better credentials to replace him, he still stays on another year with a target on his back. However, you guys want to string this guy up halfway into the first season of a team that didn't exist last year. Completely ridiculous. But also completely expected.

As for Player X, he does suck pretty bad. Probably has no business being on the pitch. But currently I am waiting on a call back from Chelsea, so not really interested in the job as of yet.
Consider me in the camp of those who hate firing coaches very soon into their jobs. I cannot fathom some of the decisions Kreis has made during this year, absolutely makes no sense. But I'm also not quite sure canning him so soon would be a good move.

Lets see how the rest of the year plays out and I may be a bit more definitive in my thoughts.
 
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I hate the optics of firing a coach for bad results. I will say again that I don't think he should be fired for losses (nor kept for wins). He should be judged by his decisions and actions. I don't think it makes sense to fire JK without a plan B. But if CFG had a great coaching alternative to JK right now, I'd take it.
 
As well as supporting NYCFC i also take an interest in the Vancouver Whitecaps.

When they first entered MLS, they used their USL coach Teitur Thordarson for the inaugural season. A move i thought was right as he deserved a chance at that level.

The Whitecaps went on a bad run and didn't win in 12 games. I remember a lot of Whitecaps fans saying on the forums, he should get the sack as the team wasn't performing and he wasnt the future etc.

I kept telling them it was only the first season and it would take time etc, but they were adamant he should go as they wouldn't get better under him. Eventually he did get the sack and it was the right decision as the Whitecaps have moved far along.

This is why i think Kreis needs to go, He has under prepared and under performed and whilst it might seem like he deserves a chance, i think NYC has been a bit too much for him. I don't see the team improving under him in the future.

It does not even matter if Kries deserves a chance or not. Even if he does, at the present time, it is a certainty there are coaching talent out there who can do a better job than he does. NYCFC's duty is to find and sign that coaching talent. Lots of old European hands in semi-retirement, waiting for clubs calling. We sure can find a fit in that landscape. Why give Kries more time (he may or may not succeed eventually) while we can use someone who will have much higher probability of winning? Ask Villa, Pirlo, I am sure they agree with me privately :)
 
I think it is fair to say to that many of us saying "Kreis needs to go" also wish to give him the rest of the year to prove himself. We have 12 games left and anywhere from 21-24 points in those games should get us into the playoffs. I am saying "#KreisOut" because I don't believe he is going to turn it around sadly with all these weapons, but I am giving him a chance to prove me wrong.

I agree. I think he'll get a whole second season too, even though I wouldn't be surprised if we made an offseason change given our owners and the quality of coaches they can probably pull from.

That said, the problem with extending Kreis' time to prove himself is that, if we do start winning over the last couple of games, it doesn't really prove anything positive. We will start winning when we start playing our best players, and we have been clamoring for that for weeks! All it will prove is that the Kreis of the past few weeks and months was wrong and sucks as a manager.

Whether or not Kreis figures it out by the end of the season, he's too late. His gut has been wrong over and over again, while literally everyone watching from the sidelines could spot the mistakes the instant the decisions were made.
 
This phenomenon is pretty common in sports. Fans running around the internet looking for someone to burn at the stake. "Obviously Kries should be fired because I've played a 3-5-2 for an entire imaginary season in FIFA and I've won every game." Most of the time it's the coach and one or two players that serve as a catalyst for disdain. "Player X has no business being on the pitch, it's very obvious that I can take his place on the squad. Did I mention I play pub league?"

Playoffs in your first season of existence is a tough goal, no matter how much money you have dumped into the team. I think 1.5 years is a little shallow for a timeline for success. I would assume we would give any coach up to three years to win the league, and unless the last was whoely unsuccessful or there is another candidate with better credentials to replace him, he still stays on another year with a target on his back. However, you guys want to string this guy up halfway into the first season of a team that didn't exist last year. Completely ridiculous. But also completely expected.

As for Player X, he does suck pretty bad. Probably has no business being on the pitch. But currently I am waiting on a call back from Chelsea, so not really interested in the job as of yet.

Theres a reason this has no likes (your wrong) The mob has spoken now begone.

I think it is fair to say to that many of us saying "Kreis needs to go" also wish to give him the rest of the year to prove himself. We have 12 games left and anywhere from 21-24 points in those games should get us into the playoffs. I am saying "#KreisOut" because I don't believe he is going to turn it around sadly with all these weapons, but I am giving him a chance to prove me wrong.


Im probably one of the biggest Kreis haters on these forums and I think he should get the rest of the season, simply because it would be even shittier to replace him now, at this point in the season, than me wanting to give him more time. But no way in hell do I think he deserves another year and a half after this season. (or some other ridiculous arbitrary number that his supporters feel is "fair")
 
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Firing him now would essentially be giving up the season and we're (ownership / higher-ups) probably not ready to do that yet. The tension is that the longer the incoming coach – if it comes to that – has with the team to ensure a solid pre-season the better. At some point they'll have to make a decision about whether prepping for a strong second season is worth the destabilization of giving up on the first. Personally, I think it would be kind of cool to see that level of deliberation and ruthlessness. Football organizations are generally poorly run and bow to sentiment. Then again my reasoning may be bogus.

Silver lining – they often say it's more edifying to listen to poor music than it is to listen to good music, because you can learn from the mistakes. And between playing slow defenders in a high line and not pressing enough in midfield to prevent balls over the top / through balls, and poor substitutions and man management and ... We're seeing, and I hope learning a ton!
 
He's a bully the way he treats Mix and Poku. He's a megalomaniac and is the only one who thinks he is a genius. he is a moron with the way he runs a team.
It really is bullying. I have been trying to figure out exactly what it was, and you nailed it.

I think he's either in over his head, or fears that he is. As a result, his actions are weak even while his talk is that of someone attempting to portray calm control. Because any confidence he demonstrates at this point is simply an acting job, he doesn't enter a game with a positive mindset. Instead, he builds excuses for his team's performance into the setup. He can't quit because that would cost him serious money. And he doesn't have the nuts to go for the win and find out he's just not good enough, so he tries to hedge himself for his next gig by pointing to weakened squads.

To me, that is one of the key indicators that it's time to go. I may have seen a manager come back from this brink at some time, but I can't really recall it. The question is, if he doesn't turn it around this year, what argument is there for giving him another? Once we are at this stage, where a manager's decisions leave everyone asking questions about odd selections, how do you think the team must feel? They know who the better players are and who deserves to start. Do you think guys like Villa and Pirlo don't notice? Damn right, they do. They want to win. You don't have their track record without being a hyper-competitive SOB. And those guys have won more than just about anyone in the game. THEY KNOW.

Think about this: not a single poster has offered an actual defense of putting Grabavoy in that lineup, other than the circular logic that Kreis did it because Kreis trusts/is comfortable with/knows him. Hell, you say that, you've said it all. Truly, it's all right there in the one defense anyone has even attempted to mount. What about who the players trust? A manager has a responsibility on that front, too. None of our better players want to even pass the ball to him.

So what, again is the argument for him staying another year IF he can't get it together? If he's lost the big name guys, and he will if he doesn't change his ways, then it's either he goes or they go or we become a dysfunctional joke. Our DPs want to strut their stuff. Those guys are leaders, and if they've lost respect for the man in the position, even their effort on gameday won't be enough to keep everyone holding on to the rope.

He has 2 months. Honestly, I don't think he is the manager we thought he was, so I would predict he will continue failing. We should have seen it coming when he allowed himself to be walked all over on the Lampard signing and then especially by Pellegrini on the Lampard "re-assignment" (that ought to be neutral enough to mitigate any rabbit chasing). If he does continue failing, there is just no way he can stay on.

In my mind, I have narrowed it down to a couple of choices based on what we have seen this year on and off the pitch.
A. He is not the manager we thought he was.
Or
B. For whatever reason, he doesn't want to be the manager of NYC anymore.

Either way, those point to issues that are beyond anything that time alone would remedy. If he turns it around this year, then my assessment will be wrong, and I'll be the happiest idiot in NYC. I just very much doubt that it happens. But if I were making the decision, he'd get the next 10 games to prove me wrong. No more, no less. If he fails to improve significantly, he would not be allowed in the locker room after the last game. I'd get his forwarding address and have Securitas escort him directly out of the stadium.
 
It really is bullying. I have been trying to figure out exactly what it was, and you nailed it.

I think he's either in over his head, or fears that he is. As a result, his actions are weak even while his talk is that of someone attempting to portray calm control. Because any confidence he demonstrates at this point is simply an acting job, he doesn't enter a game with a positive mindset. Instead, he builds excuses for his team's performance into the setup. He can't quit because that would cost him serious money. And he doesn't have the nuts to go for the win and find out he's just not good enough, so he tries to hedge himself for his next gig by pointing to weakened squads.

To me, that is one of the key indicators that it's time to go. I may have seen a manager come back from this brink at some time, but I can't really recall it. The question is, if he doesn't turn it around this year, what argument is there for giving him another? Once we are at this stage, where a manager's decisions leave everyone asking questions about odd selections, how do you think the team must feel? They know who the better players are and who deserves to start. Do you think guys like Villa and Pirlo don't notice? Damn right, they do. They want to win. You don't have their track record without being a hyper-competitive SOB. And those guys have won more than just about anyone in the game. THEY KNOW.

Think about this: not a single poster has offered an actual defense of putting Grabavoy in that lineup, other than the circular logic that Kreis did it because Kreis trusts/is comfortable with/knows him. Hell, you say that, you've said it all. Truly, it's all right there in the one defense anyone has even attempted to mount. What about who the players trust? A manager has a responsibility on that front, too. None of our better players want to even pass the ball to him.

So what, again is the argument for him staying another year IF he can't get it together? If he's lost the big name guys, and he will if he doesn't change his ways, then it's either he goes or they go or we become a dysfunctional joke. Our DPs want to strut their stuff. Those guys are leaders, and if they've lost respect for the man in the position, even their effort on gameday won't be enough to keep everyone holding on to the rope.

He has 2 months. Honestly, I don't think he is the manager we thought he was, so I would predict he will continue failing. We should have seen it coming when he allowed himself to be walked all over on the Lampard signing and then especially by Pellegrini on the Lampard "re-assignment" (that ought to be neutral enough to mitigate any rabbit chasing). If he does continue failing, there is just no way he can stay on.

In my mind, I have narrowed it down to a couple of choices based on what we have seen this year on and off the pitch.
A. He is not the manager we thought he was.
Or
B. For whatever reason, he doesn't want to be the manager of NYC anymore.

Either way, those point to issues that are beyond anything that time alone would remedy. If he turns it around this year, then my assessment will be wrong, and I'll be the happiest idiot in NYC. I just very much doubt that it happens. But if I were making the decision, he'd get the next 10 games to prove me wrong. No more, no less. If he fails to improve significantly, he would not be allowed in the locker room after the last game. I'd get his forwarding address and have Securitas escort him directly out of the stadium.
It's A.

I think he was just over rated and isn't the manager everyone thought he was. Like you said he has 2 months to turn things around. I just don't have faith he has the ability or wherewithal to get the job done.
 
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It's A.

I think he was just over rated and isn't the manager everyone thought he was. Like you said he has 2 months to turn things around. I just don't have faith he has the ability or wherewithal to get the job done.
No. "He" won't turn it around. The best players playing might win a few games. That doesn't mean he has turned anything.

The question I now ask regarding whether or not I think JK "deserves" more time is, "Do I want him making lineup, substitution and tactical decisions when we are in the playoffs and every goal matters?"

That answer is an extraordinarily easy no.

#DoneWithKreis #EnoughChances
 
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It really is bullying. I have been trying to figure out exactly what it was, and you nailed it.
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A. He is not the manager we thought he was.
Or
B. For whatever reason, he doesn't want to be the manager of NYC anymore.

As to your first point, Kreis might think it's just him being the boss, but yes, it does come across as bullying. As to your second...well, hate to say it but you've been right a lot more often than you've been wrong lately...it's looking like Kreis just isn't up to the job. Very disappointing, I had high hopes in him.
 
No. "He" won't turn it around. The best players playing might win a few games. That doesn't mean he has turned anything.

The question I now ask regarding whether or not I think JK "deserves" more time is, "Do I want him making lineup, substitution and tactical decisions when we are in the playoffs and every goal matters?"

That answer is an extraordinarily easy no.

#DoneWithKreis #EnoughChances
You make a good point. I guess I'm still hoping for a miracle.

Ned is his security blanket, but when the pressure is on, he can't step away. That was okay when Ned was a 28 year old decent MLS midfielder. It's not now that he's just pretty much a decaying space filler. But maybe he has turned the page. Although, can we still really just forgive the fact that Poku has mostly sat on the bench when he's been a major factor most any time he was on?

I can't think about this any longer. Trying to apply logic where there is none really will make you crazy. I'm having an early midlife #Kreisis.
 
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He's a bully the way he treats Mix and Poku. He's a megalomaniac and is the only one who thinks he is a genius. he is a moron with the way he runs a team.
Aww, man. You probably intended this, but I think it should be parsed out.

He believes (or knows) he has no real power over the DP players. If a fit DP is benched, that's a massive story, and questions would be raised in the media and in the front office.

Because he's so gutless at this point that he wouldn't dare risk such scrutiny, he picks on the guys on the next tier in order to appease his ego.

I think we've about nailed it all down, now, and I feel worse about the rest of the year than I did before we started.
 
If it looks like NYCFC won't make the playoffs next season, then I think Kreis could be fired.

But I think there is a zero chance he will be fired this year.

Remember, the core of NYCFC is castoff rejects like Grabavoy and Ballouchy and Mullins that other MLS teams didn't want. Only now with the new additions is Kreis getting some decent MLS talent to work with. Mix being a big bust for the club so far this year hasn't helped either...
 
If it looks like NYCFC won't make the playoffs next season, then I think Kreis could be fired.

But I think there is a zero chance he will be fired this year.

Remember, the core of NYCFC is castoff rejects like Grabavoy and Ballouchy and Mullins that other MLS teams didn't want. Only now with the new additions is Kreis getting some decent MLS talent to work with. Mix being a big bust for the club so far this year hasn't helped either...
First Balouchy is cheap and has far exceeded anyone's expectations of him. Mullins is a very good, young player and plenty of teams wanted him. Grabavoy well he sucks... Mix hasn't played great but I am not ready to call him a bust yet he's spent too much time away from the club this summer.