MLS - April 12 - Philadelphia (CF)

Felt like Julian and Ojeda both took some baby steps forward tonight. I was cringing when Julian went on for Maxi but all well that ends well. I was disappointed they didn’t let him have a go on that free kick.

Julian at the 10 to close out the game and give Maxi a rest worked out fine but I would not want to see him try to do that for more than 10 min. He had no positional awareness and provided no link-up play of any sort. He just ran around like a headless chicken for 10 min, which worked out because he ran hard and kept things moving but that's not working in anything other than short bursts.
 
lucky the keeper came out and lucky martinez can aim. i feel like bakrar in the same situation would have missed the goal. lol.

couldn't watch the game but a win against philly is always a good thing.
 
lucky the keeper came out and lucky martinez can aim. i feel like bakrar in the same situation would have missed the goal. lol.

couldn't watch the game but a win against philly is always a good thing.

I apologize for forgetting who in the chat said it, but someone said Maxi and Martinez are likely the only players on the team that put that ball in the net. Sadly I think that's spot on.
 
Julian at the 10 to close out the game and give Maxi a rest worked out fine but I would not want to see him try to do that for more than 10 min. He had no positional awareness and provided no link-up play of any sort. He just ran around like a headless chicken for 10 min, which worked out because he ran hard and kept things moving but that's not working in anything other than short bursts.
As I said, Baby steps. And he is not anyone’s idea of a #10. I doubt Pascal assigned him that role even though he went in for maxi (if I thought pascal thought it was like for like, I’d lose some respect for Pascal). I think his assignment was to run like crazy and try to cause some havoc. And he seemed to understand the assignment. I want the assignment to include free kicks because that is the one place Julian has demonstrated some real ability and consistency.

Also thought Ojeda put in a solid shift but neither of them is living up to their prices yet. And the opposition was pretty dire.
 
Ojeda is our best winger and it isn't that close, he was electric tonight and better from the start than off the bench, Alonso is a superstar, I am starting to seen signs of slipping from maxi, just a touch off here or there that he wouldn't make a mistake on before, I think a DP 10 and a TAM right winger that improves on wolf and we are going to be special. Also haak has won the cb battle and is probably our best CB
 
Rain games are more fun when it's at least 70 degrees.

Rain games in 40 degrees and wind are miserable. You couldn't have paid me to go tonight, but glad you had fun lol
I hope that those of you who want the schedule to shift were there tonight. If they shift the schedule that’s what our future looks like, meteorologically. And it’s not pretty. Good luck with ticket sales during 4-6 weeks of darkness and cold. It’s hard enough to resell tickets you can’t use in warm weather. Unless they splurge on some major name talent, winter matches are gonna be dreary affairs.
 
I hope that those of you who want the schedule to shift were there tonight. If they shift the schedule that’s what our future looks like, meteorologically. And it’s not pretty. Good luck with ticket sales during 4-6 weeks of darkness and cold. It’s hard enough to resell tickets you can’t use in warm weather. Unless they splurge on some major name talent, winter matches are gonna be dreary affairs.
I’m not saying I enjoyed the weather last night or that this was you, but I swear some of yall just don’t know how to dress. The amount of people in light jackets or hoodies with soaked sneakers sitting around shivering is hilariously high. I layered up and it was comfortable. Dress appropriately!!!!
 
I’m not saying I enjoyed the weather last night or that this was you, but I swear some of yall just don’t know how to dress. The amount of people in light jackets or hoodies with soaked sneakers sitting around shivering is hilariously high. I layered up and it was comfortable. Dress appropriately!!!!
It’s definitely not me. Grew up upstate, spent 11 years in Boston. Hell, it snowed at my upstate house yesterday. I know how to dress. And whether you are from Minnesota or Florida, and it’s a baseball game, a football game or a soccer game, going to an outside game in shitty cold weather is pretty unpleasant. There’s a reason they play hockey inside in northern climes. And the MLS fanbase is not the English or German or even the Green Bay Packers fanbase built on 100-150 years of multigenerational tradition. MLS is still built largely on casuals.

The football ops folks and the players are going to like it. The affected fans (which is, counted generously, roughly half the league) will not.
 
Haak and Ojeda should play at those positions every week. Haak is the best centerback at the club. Feel bad for Maxi, he’s ineffective now and it’s not his fault. He shouldn’t be the focal point of this team, but here we are. O’Toole was pretty poor last night, we could also probably use a dynamic upgrade at left back.
 
A few thoughts not yet mentioned.
  • Announcers were enjoyable on the broadcast. I'd go so far as to say I would have been annoyed at the NYC bias had I been a Philly fan.
  • Not just making it, but slow rolling that goal to be just too far out of reach of the Philly defender. Tasty.
  • Maxi and Martinez are likely the only players on the team that put that ball in the net.
    I'd add Shore. The more I see him the more I like his game now and think he has a lot of upward potential.
  • While I am happy we won and think it was less close than 1-0 suggests - oof, that missed connection from Martinez to the Ojeda tap in - the win isn't the story. Our continued lack of real firepower is.
  • Very glad Maxi got 10 minutes rest. Contrary to some views, I'd like to see him pulled at 60 minutes going forward. Not that I think the replacement value is excellent. But 30 minute per match of Fernandez or Wolf at the 10 is much better than 90 minutes per match after Maxi gets injured from overplaying. Summer transfer window can't come soon enough.
 
I hope that those of you who want the schedule to shift were there tonight. If they shift the schedule that’s what our future looks like, meteorologically. And it’s not pretty. Good luck with ticket sales during 4-6 weeks of darkness and cold. It’s hard enough to resell tickets you can’t use in warm weather. Unless they splurge on some major name talent, winter matches are gonna be dreary affairs.
I support the schedule shift and I was there last night. As were many others. I fail to see what the big deal is. The season will run from August to late May, there will be a January break, games in August and May will predominantly be in the northern cities, games in December and February will be predominantly in southern cities, there will be a few games in October/November and March/April just like there are now. People go to football games in the cold all the time. Personally I’d rather go to a game in 40 degrees than 95 anyway.

The benefit of shifting the schedule far outweigh any minor inconvenience IMO.
 
I support the schedule shift and I was there last night. As were many others. I fail to see what the big deal is. The season will run from August to late May, there will be a January break, games in August and May will predominantly be in the northern cities, games in December and February will be predominantly in southern cities, there will be a few games in October/November and March/April just like there are now. People go to football games in the cold all the time. Personally I’d rather go to a game in 40 degrees than 95 anyway.

The benefit of shifting the schedule far outweigh any minor inconvenience IMO.
See it’s funny cause I was there last night and fully bundled with layers and am in complete opposition of switching the schedule. The stadium felt dead and the casuals won’t come out to a game like that. Hell my wife kept telling me last night, “Now you can’t ever tell me that I don’t love you if I’m here right now.” I would 100% enjoy sweating it out in shorts, a t-shirt, (and my Birkenstocks) than what we just endured last night. That was not fun nor worth it. And if Philly had won last night, man I would have been so pissed to have spent the evening in the rain/wind/cold. So many of the guys here who I consider some of the most hard core fans of the teams for just the reason that they are on this forum chose to opt out of the game because of the weather. And again they aren’t the casuals. If people are so upset about 100° games in Houston in the summer, then front load and back load their season. The fact that we only have one home game in each of June and July is just criminal when that’s probably some of the most pleasurable games to attend.
 
See it’s funny cause I was there last night and fully bundled with layers and am in complete opposition of switching the schedule. The stadium felt dead and the casuals won’t come out to a game like that. Hell my wife kept telling me last night, “Now you can’t ever tell me that I don’t love you if I’m here right now.” I would 100% enjoy sweating it out in shorts, a t-shirt, (and my Birkenstocks) than what we just endured last night. That was not fun nor worth it. And if Philly had won last night, man I would have been so pissed to have spent the evening in the rain/wind/cold. So many of the guys here who I consider some of the most hard core fans of the teams for just the reason that they are on this forum chose to opt out of the game because of the weather. And again they aren’t the casuals. If people are so upset about 100° games in Houston in the summer, then front load and back load their season. The fact that we only have one home game in each of June and July is just criminal when that’s probably some of the most pleasurable games to attend.
I think this is one of those moderating variable situations. When your team sucks, weather has huge impact on attendance. When your team is strong, weather has much lower impact. Not sure about that. But that's my guess.
 
I think this is one of those moderating variable situations. When your team sucks, weather has huge impact on attendance. When your team is strong, weather has much lower impact. Not sure about that. But that's my guess.
Absolutely true. We could argue about the strength of the effect but it exists.

Also, the schedule flip conversation has very quickly reached pro/rel levels of circularity and pointlessness.

People who support the flip already know that the flip will add more cold, snowy and uncomfortable games in the northeast. They also know this might affect attendance and interest and even quality of play. They are even aware that the NBA and hockey playoffs are in the Spring. Bringing this up after a cold game in April has no effect.

Conversely, people opposed to the flip know there will be a break avoiding the absolute worst weeks of winter, that a flip can improve playoff rhythm, and that MLS playoffs are currently up against CFB and the NFL. Repeating these items to flip opponents isn't doing anything either at this point.

Everyone pretty much knows all this, and all the other points on each side, and have simply reached different conclusions.

I'm not saying to stop discussing it if you enjoy it. But don't deceive yourself as to whether anyone is likely to change their mind because of what you write.
 
I support the schedule shift and I was there last night. As were many others. I fail to see what the big deal is. The season will run from August to late May, there will be a January break, games in August and May will predominantly be in the northern cities, games in December and February will be predominantly in southern cities, there will be a few games in October/November and March/April just like there are now. People go to football games in the cold all the time. Personally I’d rather go to a game in 40 degrees than 95 anyway.

The benefit of shifting the schedule far outweigh any minor inconvenience IMO.
I for one will probably not reup as an STH if they make the switch, and not just because it's less pleasant. If there were a secondary market, maybe it would make sense, but why bother when you can make a gameday call and save a lot of $$. I was there last night because I had already paid (and also because I'm a nutter). And there was no way anyone I knew would have taken one of my free tickets. Had I not previously committed, I would have watched at home.

To those who say "but there will be a break," the break will not account for the entirety of shitty weather in most markets. I also find it funny that folks are worried about competition with NFL and MLB when a shift puts us in direct competition with the EPL, LA Liga, the Champions league et al, which are all superior competitions in the same sport. One of the truly great things about MLS for me is that it extends the football year through the summer.

Sorry if i'm boring you, Mark, but it's not settled yet (unlike pro-rel, which will not happen). And there are a huge morass of people who haven't given it any thought at all.

Footy you make some good points (though success and attendance haven't really correlated for us or RBNJ).
 
Absolutely true. We could argue about the strength of the effect but it exists.

Also, the schedule flip conversation has very quickly reached pro/rel levels of circularity and pointlessness.

People who support the flip already know that the flip will add more cold, snowy and uncomfortable games in the northeast. They also know this might affect attendance and interest and even quality of play. They are even aware that the NBA and hockey playoffs are in the Spring. Bringing this up after a cold game in April has no effect.

Conversely, people opposed to the flip know there will be a break avoiding the absolute worst weeks of winter, that a flip can improve playoff rhythm, and that MLS playoffs are currently up against CFB and the NFL. Repeating these items to flip opponents isn't doing anything either at this point.

Everyone pretty much knows all this, and all the other points on each side, and have simply reached different conclusions.

I'm not saying to stop discussing it if you enjoy it. But don't deceive yourself as to whether anyone is likely to change their mind because of what you write.

I don't have a strong preference either way but it does seem like a very high stakes decision. I hope whichever they choose is the decision that helps the league continue to grow and produces the best on field product. Don't know which is the right answer but I think getting it wrong could be very bad for the future of the league.
 
some of the most hard core fans of the teams for just the reason that they are on this forum chose to opt out of the game because of the weather. And again they aren’t the casuals.
Yup. Founding member and I stayed home. Went to breakfast with my sister visiting from Connecticut at 10am and it was 40° and sorta raining and my immediate thought was, "not going to the match tonight." And just had no desire to spend an hour putting on thermals, pants, rain pants, t-shirt, flannel shirt, thin hoody, electric vest, winter puffy jacket, goretex outer shell just to have my Shack Burger freeze 20 seconds after buying it.*

And December, January, February matches I'd probably skip, with November and March (and April) as questionable. Honestly I'd probably drop my tickets. I paid $1435 for my two not-bad-but-upper-level seats. I could drop my tickets and get good seats for four matches, food, jerseys, and MLS season pass for the rest of the season and still probably have $500 left over.

Bottom line: probably not going to winter matches if they switch.


*possible (very) slight exaggeration. Or two LOL. (Not exaggerating about the layer count though.)
 
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