Just so we're clear, NYCFC should never hire any individual who may have a child with a soccer talent?
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Just so we're clear, NYCFC should never hire any individual who may have a child with a soccer talent?
Maybe the team he wants to go play for in Europe has no interest in purchasing their Academy talent.
Maybe James Sands had opportunities to play overseas but didn't have the right passport...
because those other players are not academy players. this is the nature of the beast....any excellent prospect ( with euro passport) like reyna WILL leave....and for the good of a national team its best they leave....only good prospects will/may stay ( maybe with passport they may change their mind)....anyone thats a step above will leave and probably should unless they want to stay with family
this is the bigger issue but MLS will not budge at all when it comes to transfer money and wont in future as long as the single entity is around
no euro passport for sands ( that i know of)
rare for euro teams to pay for academy players here in US....if he signs....no one will pay for him no matter how good of a prospect he is. maybe if he was already playing in argentina or brazil .....its the perception of US still. and if his goal is to test himself and grow in europe then this is it
he's gonna waste his career here. he's going to go to college until 21 then be under prepared for the MLS, so his rookie and even sophomore year is basically a waste with the team. OR go to europe, and get proper training until hes 22 or so and come into the MLS like a gangsta and tear shit up.
Those are all fair points, but IMO, Gio leaving NYCFC should not be cause for #ReynaOut. There are many other arguments to be made for him to resign or be fired (which personally I disagree with, but I think they can be made), but this is not one of them.
I think the only way this works is if we were to sign him and then immediately sell him. Factor in:
- If we sign Gio to the senior team, does he play? I personally don't think so, not sure where he would fit in on our roster and at the most he would get minutes off the bench, if that. A kid that age, IMO, needs minutes and he's getting those playing above his age level, so it should be against decent competition for him.
- Can we sign him and loan him out somewhere where he can get consistent playing time? Would have to be within MLS, NASL, or USL. Is that doable? Perhaps.
- If the interest is there now for him to go to Europe and get into a European academy, a la Pulisic, its hard to blast that move. We've seen what its done for Pulisic, and there are other US nationals that are starting to come up through those ranks abroad as well.
Thank youFantazma for listing my thoughts in a way that was less abrasive
lol too much going on i just selected a few points to give my counter argument
but i dont see any of this as a reason for #reynaout as this is a bigger issue league wide.....now, i would say #reynaout for potentially signing another 35yr old DP
There are legitimate reasons to question Reyna's effectiveness as a Sporting Director. The Academy and what the family decides is in Gio's best interest are not part of that discussion.
Now, if he's part of screwing up yet another DP decision, I can get on board that a change needs to be made.
Now, if he's part of screwing up yet another DP decision, I can get on board that a change needs to be made.
This thread is really surprising.
We all hate the notion that Gio might not eventually play for the Club, or that the Club might not benefit from selling talent it had developed. But, this happens all the time.
What this is not is an excuse to bash Reyna. He is loyal to this Club, but I can't believe anyone really expects that loyalty to be greater than the loyalty to his own son.
Gio is in an unusual situation. He is supremely talented, still very young, and should be able to get an E.U. passport. Very few people who come through any MLS academy are going to have all those things (Weston McKinnie and Jordan Morris being notable exceptions). This simply isn't a scenario that is going to play out every time a young player excels in our academy.
We all hate the notion that Gio might not eventually play for the Club, or that the Club might not benefit from selling talent it had developed. But, this happens all the time.
What this is not is an excuse to bash Reyna. He is loyal to this Club, but I can't believe anyone really expects that loyalty to be greater than the loyalty to his own son.
Gio is in an unusual situation. He is supremely talented, still very young, and should be able to get an E.U. passport. Very few people who come through any MLS academy are going to have all those things (Weston McKinnie and Jordan Morris being notable exceptions). This simply isn't a scenario that is going to play out every time a young player excels in our academy.
Oh, I'm not #ReynaOut. To the extent I'm perhaps somewhat close to it is for the reasons you and K Kjbert and
Fantazma said.But the conflicts I mentioned are real and should have been handled. Maybe they were and we the public just don't know. That would hardly be a surprise. But one of the reasons you handle conflicts of interest is to assure the public. So even though this club is notorious for not telling us anything this is a particularly dumb application of that tendency. Or maybe they just thought, eh, we trust Claudio to do what's right.Which is fine as long as every possible decision never presents a choice where the best thing for Gio and the best thing for NYCFC diverge.
There are several other angles to this whole situation which haven't been talked about here.
For example, assuming that CR is the only man at the club with a decision on which kids get signed up or don't, what if CR is genuinely concerned that he will jeopardise his position by pressing for his own son to be one of the first academy players the club signs to HG deals. What if he knows that the day he does that is the day he has to have a meeting with a higher-up to justify his nepotism, and regardless of how much the fans believe in Gio's ability he just isn't sure that he can make his arguments without it drifting closer and closer to "I know he's good because he's my son" territory?
Or if CR is not the only man at the club with this level of decision-making, what if the other person or persons are saying it's too early for Gio, and so CR simply isn't in a position to force it through? After all, while we can call out hundreds of examples of times that managers did things that seemed stupid to the fans, they are at the end of the day the professionals and if they truly didn't have a clue what they were doing the sport would fall apart at the seams. Maybe he simply isn't actually ready, and there's something that we aren't seeing? Perhaps his temperament in training is awful, perhaps he is not as much of a team player as you would like, perhaps he is heading dangerously towards the pitfalls of the teenage prospect, where the temptations of girlfriends, money, smoking etc wean out those who have the attitude to stick it out and those who don't.
What if Gio simply has his heart set on playing in Europe as soon as possible, and he fears that, as a man who was playing in Germany at the age of 21, it would be hypocritical of him to try to force his son to stay in the US for the sake of his own employers. Or what if Gio has been told by every coach or manager he's spoken to since the age of 10 that he has the ability to make it in the big leagues, and so he himself simply has no interest in shackling himself to an MLS team which could get in the way of his big move, especially if he knows that right now there are clubs sniffing him out who could sign him for free straight away.
I'm not particularly arguing for or against CR in all this, but I tend to believe that there are always factors the fans simply don't get to see in this kind of situation, and it's so easy to assume that everything is straightforward and that a basic decision is being ignored for no other reason than intransigence when there's so much more to it. I tend to believe there is a good reason behind Gio not being signed up at this point.
For example, assuming that CR is the only man at the club with a decision on which kids get signed up or don't, what if CR is genuinely concerned that he will jeopardise his position by pressing for his own son to be one of the first academy players the club signs to HG deals. What if he knows that the day he does that is the day he has to have a meeting with a higher-up to justify his nepotism, and regardless of how much the fans believe in Gio's ability he just isn't sure that he can make his arguments without it drifting closer and closer to "I know he's good because he's my son" territory?
Or if CR is not the only man at the club with this level of decision-making, what if the other person or persons are saying it's too early for Gio, and so CR simply isn't in a position to force it through? After all, while we can call out hundreds of examples of times that managers did things that seemed stupid to the fans, they are at the end of the day the professionals and if they truly didn't have a clue what they were doing the sport would fall apart at the seams. Maybe he simply isn't actually ready, and there's something that we aren't seeing? Perhaps his temperament in training is awful, perhaps he is not as much of a team player as you would like, perhaps he is heading dangerously towards the pitfalls of the teenage prospect, where the temptations of girlfriends, money, smoking etc wean out those who have the attitude to stick it out and those who don't.
What if Gio simply has his heart set on playing in Europe as soon as possible, and he fears that, as a man who was playing in Germany at the age of 21, it would be hypocritical of him to try to force his son to stay in the US for the sake of his own employers. Or what if Gio has been told by every coach or manager he's spoken to since the age of 10 that he has the ability to make it in the big leagues, and so he himself simply has no interest in shackling himself to an MLS team which could get in the way of his big move, especially if he knows that right now there are clubs sniffing him out who could sign him for free straight away.
I'm not particularly arguing for or against CR in all this, but I tend to believe that there are always factors the fans simply don't get to see in this kind of situation, and it's so easy to assume that everything is straightforward and that a basic decision is being ignored for no other reason than intransigence when there's so much more to it. I tend to believe there is a good reason behind Gio not being signed up at this point.
if only some people thought rationally once in a while other than fuck reyna for no reason...
Based on Grant Wahl's article, I think we've moved past the idea of Gio Reyna playing for NYCFC. The point is we want the transfer fee and the GAM that comes along with it. Sign a contract in the morning. Sell him in the afternoon.
This is exactly right in that CR was in a position where he could be accused of acting improperly no matter what he did. That is a classic conflict of interest. It’s managerial malpractice if CFG did not have a process in place to handle the issue. We don’t know if they did because they reveal nothing.
NYCFC: Hey gio, you mind signing this contract that would limit your options and possibilities as player so we can get some Don Garber monopoly money?
Gio: nope
If a team isn't going to pay for a player, then shouldn't get him on a free.
