NYCFC v Orlando Postmatch

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Not gonna lie, New York are extremely lucky to have Villa and Pirlo, both players could of stayed in Europe and still play for a top team

Pirlo is a unique player, their very few like him ever, the way he can orchestra a midfielder and dictate a game, not saying he someone can win a game single handedly but he someone that be part of it, personally one of the best 5 midfielders I've ever seen

Villa for a advanced age is still a natural goalscorer, ok he doesn't have his pace anymore, a very underrated player in his day
 
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One of our only goals from a CB that I can think of, since the start of the club in MLS, was KWS
That was our only CB goal last year.
The one I remember was when Jacobson headed a corner kick to TMac who put it in against the Red Bulls at YS.
Not a CB.
I would argue that Villa single-handedly won us the first game in Montreal on the 4th of July last year.
The Toe I often agree with and like your comments, but not this time.

This was not singlehandedly. I wrote a whole thing about why this is a ridiculous statement. Then I deleted what I wrote in favor of just going back to our very own forum post match thread for that game.
http://nycfcforums.com/index.php?threads/nycfc-v-montreal-motm-and-post-game.3313/

Turns out our own forum vote had Villa and Saunders tied for MOTM. Our whole forum thought there were a few other players involved in that win. I'll say again, NO ONE WINS A SOCCER GAME SINGLEHANDEDLY. Any player who said so would be considered arrogant beyond acceptable. Any fan who says so is either just hyperbolizing so badly they discredit themselves or lacking any understanding of the game. Is this whole "single-handed" think a trolling movement? I just don't understand the claim from otherwise very astute knowledgable observers.
 
Yep. I was responding to something in the context of a discussion about goals off corner kicks and didn't note that the specific statement I responded to was about CB goals.
I thought there was no way you would have mistaken Jacobson or TMac for a CB.
 
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Another fun thing. Go back and take a look at our thread from after our third game last season. Here are a few fun quotes:
http://nycfcforums.com/index.php?threads/away-03-21-colorado-rapids.2487/page-6

This was a good result overall - Kreiss is a good poker player
Saunders was great again
Give credit to Kwame for getting some big clearances and blocks
3 games now Shelton has completly changed things when he comes on. Not sure how much longer Kreis can bench him.
For me Poku, Shelton and Mendoza are starters in the long run, maybe Calle too.
Saunders: 7
Made spectacular saves as needed. Total stud.
I feel a constant need to defend Velasquez, because he is often outed in the chat and here as a terrible player (well mainly a semi-drunk Midas but still).
We've already seen in the first three games that Shelton completely changes the attack when he comes on.
I think Kreis knows what he is doing

Disclaimer: If any of these quotes are embarrassing in retrospect, I can only assure everyone involved that had I been active on the forum at the time I would have said crazier stuff than this.
 
Most of those hold up pretty well. If memory serves Saunders was indeed very strong in the first few games, his weaknesses became more obvious later. And Shelton really did open up the game when he came on as a sub. As for the quote about Poku and Shelton and Mendoza, well okay, Mendoza was a wash. And Poku may not be starting, but most of the people he was being compared to are no longer even on the team, so that doesn't seem too far off.
 
Another fun thing. Go back and take a look at our thread from after our third game last season. Here are a few fun quotes:
http://nycfcforums.com/index.php?threads/away-03-21-colorado-rapids.2487/page-6











Disclaimer: If any of these quotes are embarrassing in retrospect, I can only assure everyone involved that had I been active on the forum at the time I would have said crazier stuff than this.
Haha. I'm sure you could find worse from me, hopefully this won't be a recurring thread from you.
 
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Haha. I'm sure you could find worse from me, hopefully this won't be a recurring thread from you.
FootyLovin FootyLovin I think this concept deserves its own thread where you pull the top ten best quotes from the post-game commentary for each successive game from last season prior to the equivalent game this season.
 
Haha. I'm sure you could find worse from me, hopefully this won't be a recurring thread from you.
It had crossed my mind.
FootyLovin FootyLovin I think this concept deserves its own thread where you pull the top ten best quotes from the post-game commentary for each successive game from last season prior to the equivalent game this season.
And I guess that seals it. I'll work on this today.
 
It had crossed my mind.

And I guess that seals it. I'll work on this today.
So this must mean you don't have a single meeting on the calendar today, nor any pending tasks..... Hell, I bet you can compile your post at a pub with your laptop and a pint or three.
 
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Shelton was dreadful and Mcnamera was largely anonymous as well. Villa had a poor showing by his standards, but had at few fine passes. I often get the feeling that his role in our system needs to be more defined.

The importance of Mix + Mac (M&M?) to get forward has made Villa either come back and be the guy they play off of, or him going to the wing to link up with one of the wide men. It doesn't make sense to me when we have the best passer of the ball with a striker who is quick and knows what he's doing. He should be trying to run the CBs wild, not trying to post them up.

I love Poku, but everyone seems to think he's the savior - let's be realistic at least.

It's not he's the savior, it's the fact when we need goals, we know there's a solution on the bench. The coach isn't doing everything he's capable of doing. Although everyone's neglecting the fact Bravo was injured so the sub was a like for like as PV wanted to keep the shape.

Mata and Hernandez were great and even though Iraola had a number of give aways in the first half, he warmed up, made that great save, and seems like he can play out of the back.

I'm happy someone else has noticed. He seems to be a lot better with 3 at the back.

Given Orlando's penchant for crosses, I was surprised we didn't see Brillant at CB as he's much better in the air than anyone else we have.

We're playing with 1 traditional CB and we're prone to counters. If we played Brillant, it'd be a mistake waiting to happen. That's why some fans/media of John Terry coming here would be a mistake. We simply need people who can chase down defenders/loose balls if he insists with this system.

I think with a 3 man backline and Mata running up and down the pitch, Iraola had orders to hold his ground and help out Hernandez. I thought he did well with his role (aside from what the f*** happened on the Larin goal???)

You could see in the second half at every "injury" of Orlando's and during most of the subs, Iraola was running to the sideline to take instructions from PV. Then he started dribbling with the ball into the MF, assuming his old playing style if you will. I believe that's why we saw a better performance from him towards the end. He was playing the way he used to, not playing out of position.

I'm not sure why no one acknowledged Bravo's great performance. He played like a destroyer, intercepting, tackling, running around like a pitbull. If he continues to play like that, we'll see 60%+ every game home and away.

This is an acceptable loss for most of us IMO. It's early in the season, under a new coach and a formation literally none of our players have ever played before. Compared to the way we played last season, a moral victory can be claimed with this defeat. There are times when you're going to dominate the game and chances and still lose. I think it's good it happened early in the season while we're still learning how to play.

Unfortunately, I think the 343 square/361/3223 wtf you wanna call it, has to go. I understand why he did it vs Toronto originally, we had 4 CMs vs their 3, but it's effectiveness is solely based on Mix and Mac. They're the one's who are linking up with Villa in the middle of the field. Villa has essentially been playing as a target man the last 2 matches, letting those 2 run off of him as holds it up. And if Villa goes wide, it's their job to eat up the defenders in the middle. Let's face it. If it comes down to those 2 going up against CBs, they'll lose most of the time. They have to do all that work on the offensive side, constantly running. Now look at what they have to do when we're not in possession. They have to be the one's to press with Villa because our wingers have to stay back because they don't have fullbacks behind them. (Anyone who goes to the games, watch TT's work rate. He could easily be a traditional wide midfielder if needed to be).

Paying attention to Mix and Mac's running, it's so easy to understand why PV doesn't give minutes to Poku. Now I'm wondering. WTF happens when Frank comes back? We can't be at this tempo with him on the field, unless we switch back to a 4-3-3 (which I know a lot of us were calling for last season, including myself). With the way PV wants to press, it's the most practical. It allows for TT and Mendoza to press with Villa BC they'll have Mata and Iraola behind them, and whatever combination of CMs PV wants to play, they have fresher legs.
 
And what has been the result of that artistry? More goals? More wins? We have to play a caddy at CDM for him, since apart from one game he has been a negative defender. We haven't scored on a free kick since he's been here, where villa was doing decently at that previously. He's nice to watch, but either he's too good for MLS, or he's a luxury player that doesn't fit with the team.

Villa has won games for us singlehandedly. As the best DPs do. Keane has done it, giovinco has done it, Jermaine Jones did it at CDM. Pirlo has not. Maybe he will, but so far we have little to show for catering the entire team around him.

I understand what you're saying. Pirlo hasn't contributed directly the way we want him to, yet. However, I believe it's because we don't have players attacking the space between defenders when they're off the ball. The only person who does that is Villa, and with the way PV has been asking him to play this season (see post above), it's taken away that sexy ball we know he can deliver. How many FKs has he actually shot instead of putting them in? Not only that, do you know the % of FKs made, even by the masters? It's low. Players like Ronaldo, Messi, Zlatan all hover around 5%.
 
The importance of Mix + Mac (M&M?) to get forward has made Villa either come back and be the guy they play off of, or him going to the wing to link up with one of the wide men. It doesn't make sense to me when we have the best passer of the ball with a striker who is quick and knows what he's doing. He should be trying to run the CBs wild, not trying to post them up.



It's not he's the savior, it's the fact when we need goals, we know there's a solution on the bench. The coach isn't doing everything he's capable of doing. Although everyone's neglecting the fact Bravo was injured so the sub was a like for like as PV wanted to keep the shape.



I'm happy someone else has noticed. He seems to be a lot better with 3 at the back.



We're playing with 1 traditional CB and we're prone to counters. If we played Brillant, it'd be a mistake waiting to happen. That's why some fans/media of John Terry coming here would be a mistake. We simply need people who can chase down defenders/loose balls if he insists with this system.



You could see in the second half at every "injury" of Orlando's and during most of the subs, Iraola was running to the sideline to take instructions from PV. Then he started dribbling with the ball into the MF, assuming his old playing style if you will. I believe that's why we saw a better performance from him towards the end. He was playing the way he used to, not playing out of position.

I'm not sure why no one acknowledged Bravo's great performance. He played like a destroyer, intercepting, tackling, running around like a pitbull. If he continues to play like that, we'll see 60%+ every game home and away.

This is an acceptable loss for most of us IMO. It's early in the season, under a new coach and a formation literally none of our players have ever played before. Compared to the way we played last season, a moral victory can be claimed with this defeat. There are times when you're going to dominate the game and chances and still lose. I think it's good it happened early in the season while we're still learning how to play.

Unfortunately, I think the 343 square/361/3223 wtf you wanna call it, has to go. I understand why he did it vs Toronto originally, we had 4 CMs vs their 3, but it's effectiveness is solely based on Mix and Mac. They're the one's who are linking up with Villa in the middle of the field. Villa has essentially been playing as a target man the last 2 matches, letting those 2 run off of him as holds it up. And if Villa goes wide, it's their job to eat up the defenders in the middle. Let's face it. If it comes down to those 2 going up against CBs, they'll lose most of the time. They have to do all that work on the offensive side, constantly running. Now look at what they have to do when we're not in possession. They have to be the one's to press with Villa because our wingers have to stay back because they don't have fullbacks behind them. (Anyone who goes to the games, watch TT's work rate. He could easily be a traditional wide midfielder if needed to be).

Paying attention to Mix and Mac's running, it's so easy to understand why PV doesn't give minutes to Poku. Now I'm wondering. WTF happens when Frank comes back? We can't be at this tempo with him on the field, unless we switch back to a 4-3-3 (which I know a lot of us were calling for last season, including myself). With the way PV wants to press, it's the most practical. It allows for TT and Mendoza to press with Villa BC they'll have Mata and Iraola behind them, and whatever combination of CMs PV wants to play, they have fresher legs.
All salient points, you should post here more often.
 
  • Like what I saw from Bravo too. He is that type of guy you love if he's on your team, and hate if he isn't. "He's an asshole, but he's our asshole" type of relationship.
Haven't read through the rest of this thread yet, but wanted to comment on this. I would absolutely despise Bravo if we were playing against him. He is extremely physical, very chippy. Seems to be getting in constant verbal arguments with opposing teammates and the ref. And he extremely exaggerates fouls.

There was one play which he was fouled, and rolled around on the ground as if his foot had just been cut off. As soon as the whistle blew, popped back up instantly and started running without any limp or noticeable hindrance.

But like you said, "he's our asshole", so I'm completely supportive of him. Glad he's with us.
 
Haven't read through the rest of this thread yet, but wanted to comment on this. I would absolutely despise Bravo if we were playing against him. He is extremely physical, very chippy. Seems to be getting in constant verbal arguments with opposing teammates and the ref. And he extremely exaggerates fouls.

There was one play which he was fouled, and rolled around on the ground as if his foot had just been cut off. As soon as the whistle blew, popped back up instantly and started running without any limp or noticeable hindrance.

But like you said, "he's our asshole", so I'm completely supportive of him. Glad he's with us.

I agree for the NBA fans out there he's our Joakim Noah, it's great.
 
This is an acceptable loss for most of us IMO. It's early in the season, under a new coach and a formation literally none of our players have ever played before. Compared to the way we played last season, a moral victory can be claimed with this defeat. There are times when you're going to dominate the game and chances and still lose. I think it's good it happened early in the season while we're still learning how to play.
And to expound on this. There will also be games this year where we are outplayed and still manage to pull out a win. These things happen in soccer.