Pascal Jansen (To Be) Named NYCFC Head Coach

Thoughts On Pascal Jansen

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    Votes: 1 20.0%
  • Good

    Votes: 2 40.0%
  • Okay

    Votes: 2 40.0%
  • Bad

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Terrible

    Votes: 0 0.0%

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    5
Key insight. Some of the recent acquisitions (hello, Jovan) may have been suffering under the same delusion.

Jovan's issue is whether he thought MLS would be easier or not, he doesn't have the drive to get on the level where he can get actual minutes. even when playing with the II squad, he was lazy and gave minimum levels of effort. that's an attitude problem, which can change with the right people around him.

for his sake, and ours if he stays, i hope he does change and comes back trim and fit in 2025, ready to claim the #9 position as his own.
 
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Hollup, we bought him out for 1,000,000+ Euros? damn, that's actually really cool if that's the case.
I was in the office yesterday. Today I’m off and watching college football in the afternoon and wondering what the holy heck is Shwafta Shwafta doing posting on a Saturday afternoon?!

:) :D:p

Time has no meaning between 12/24 and 1/2.
 
The stats on MLS teams losing coaches who quit midseason are:

NYCFC 2
Red Bulls 1
Rest of MLS combined 0

It's not how it works.
It's possible I'm missing somebody somewhere but it's absolutely not the norm, except for the teams owned by foreign soccer conglomerates.
If another team with a bigger profile wants that coach, they’ll go to the bigger club.
 
So much of the discourse about our coaches focuses on offense: use of fullbacks, inverted winger play, even the discussion of our press is mostly about whether and how we use it to generate offense. But I want to look at defense. Here is average xGA per game.

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Vieira inherited a defensive disaster and dropped xGA by 0.3 per game two years in a row. It inched up a bit his last half season, and I believe he was distracted. I also believe part of Dome's 2018 tinkering was getting the defense back to where it could be. I don't really have a theory for 2019. But then look at what Deila did. My goodness Ronny, 2021 was amazing. That defense was a major reason that those of us who never wanted Ronny fired supported him during the offensive slump. Mid 2022, everyone noticed that we eased up on pressing when Nick took over. In 2023 he went all in on defense when he had a pathetic, punchless roster. In his last year he openly stated he sold out the defense to help an improved but still thin offense.

I don't have a preferred strategy. I do want a coach -- and a roster -- who can get the opposing xGA down below 1.25 per game while still generating offense and so doesn't need Freese to carry the team. Defense can be sustained with discipline, smart play, and effort. It should be susceptible to fewer slumps. Get that in order first.

i think much of ronny's success in 2021 defensively was that we pressed and counter pressed aggressively while also having a solid defensive core (callens & chanot, now together for 4 years, anton/gray on the right, with only a slight weakness on the left covered by callens). much of that remained the same into 2022 until cushing took over and our press stepped back. and then we lost our defensive core.
 
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Somehow 93% of MLS avoids this, and wins Cups doing so.

I agree. This should be a job big enough that coaches shouldn't ever feel like they need to leave midseason. Obviously if we do move to the European calendar it would make this conversation pretty much moot.

I just don't know what the answer is. Should we hire coaches who have less ambition? Should we hire American coaches who are less likely to get poached by Europe? Are we just unlucky?
 
Jovan's issue is whether he thought MLS would be easier or not, he doesn't have the drive to get on the level where he can get actual minutes. even when playing with the II squad, he was lazy and gave minimum levels of effort. that's an attitude problem, which can change with the right people around him.

for his sake, and ours if he stays, i hope he does change and comes back trim and fit in 2025, ready to claim the #9 position as his own.
I'm not so sure about this. He learned to play the striker position as a between-the-sticks, top-of-the-box shooter looking for service. He needed to develop a new set of skills to get where we wanted him to be, at least in terms of our usual tactical setup, but he didn't get the opportunity to play enough.

Or, conversely, he wasn't used the right way, depending on your perspective. He certainly wasn't a good fit as far as Nick was concerned. (We've already talked a few times about how guys with his physical profile need playing time to get in gear, but it's water under the bridge now.)

We may be about to find out very quickly whether Jovan is truly a bust, though. If it really is an attitude problem, a new coach isn't going to stand for it. Ditching someone with a poor mentality is a great way for a gaffer to send a message.
 
i dont think this happens unless he does well here. Ronny left after winning MLS Cup. nothing before hand. He doesnt have the name like PV did either.
He will need to do well, but can get interest and a new job without winning a cup. 58-62 points and improved team play is a very nice resume builder.
 
So much of the discourse about our coaches focuses on offense: use of fullbacks, inverted winger play, even the discussion of our press is mostly about whether and how we use it to generate offense. But I want to look at defense. Here is average xGA per game.

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Vieira inherited a defensive disaster and dropped xGA by 0.3 per game two years in a row. It inched up a bit his last half season, and I believe he was distracted. I also believe part of Dome's 2018 tinkering was getting the defense back to where it could be. I don't really have a theory for 2019. But then look at what Deila did. My goodness Ronny, 2021 was amazing. That defense was a major reason that those of us who never wanted Ronny fired supported him during the offensive slump. Mid 2022, everyone noticed that we eased up on pressing when Nick took over. In 2023 he went all in on defense when he had a pathetic, punchless roster. In his last year he openly stated he sold out the defense to help an improved but still thin offense.

I don't have a preferred strategy. I do want a coach -- and a roster -- who can get the opposing xGA down below 1.25 per game while still generating offense and so doesn't need Freese to carry the team. Defense can be sustained with discipline, smart play, and effort. It should be susceptible to fewer slumps. Get that in order first.

Chanot arrived in 2016, Callens arrived in 2017 and the pair anchored our backline together 2017-2021. How much of those XGa numbers are coaching and how much is having one of the best CB pairings in MLS history both in their primes?
 
I think we use it as a selling point.

Maybe. I definitely think the idea of being in the CFG family as Pep potentially comes close to ending his run in Manchester is certainly a selling point. I can also see a scenario in which Jansen doesn't get the Manchester job and immediately wants to go look for something else so he can return to Europe.

Listen, if he wins a title he can do whatever he wants. If he doesn't want a title, it's a lot harder for me to support a move out.

I think this Club has tried very hard to both (a) win championships and (b) do right by its personnel. We ship players out when they want, we let coaches leave when they want. I think we've leaned into MLS being a developmental league and that goes for all the on-field staff. But on some level, we need to be a destination and not just a rest stop.
 
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Chanot arrived in 2016, Callens arrived in 2017 and the pair anchored our backline together 2017-2021. How much of those XGa numbers are coaching and how much is having one of the best CB pairings in MLS history both in their primes?
It's a lot, but not all. The 2017-202 progression is not linear. You can't achieve the 2021 xGA without an all-time CB pairing but it also does not happen without a team/coach commitment. To me it's indisputable that Nick made the defense a bit worse on the back end of 2022, built the team around it in 2023, and threw it under the bus in 2024.
 
Somehow 93% of MLS avoids this, and wins Cups doing so.
Because they don’t hire anyone from outside the US landscape mostly. When you hire someone with a rep in Europe, a good job will draw more eyes. When the actual option of leveling up in the soccer world is presented, people get inclined to take it.
 
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Because they don’t hire anyone from outside the US landscape mostly. When you hire someone with a rep in Europe, a good job will draw more eyes. When the actual option of leveling up in the soccer world is presented, people get inclined to take it.

I kind of agree with both sides. I don't want my coach leaving halfway through a season, but it's a necessary evil when you hire from outside the American landscape.

How many MLS coaches aren't MLS lifers and have aspirations of coaching higher up? Last year the list was probably Tata Martino, Sandro Schwartz, Phil Neville, Nick Cushing, Dean Smith, Laurent Courtois, Vanni Sartini, and Wilfried Nancy?

If you want NYCFC to hire Gio Savarese, that's fine. But the other guy we were all talking about is Des Buckingham, and he would have wanted to leave for a job in England, too. If we're truly trying to hire the best possible coach no matter his nationality or career aspirations, this is a necessary evil.