Patrick Vieira Appointed As NYCFC Coach

AndreT_NY said:
Wow calling a black man a pet. That statement is full of racial overtones.
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Come on, man. I will default to those who aren't white males of European descent, but it seems a big stretch to try to make that a racially motivated characterization and a disservice to legitimate complaints. Defend PV on the merits if you feel it necessary, but don't be intellectually lazy and throw that out there. From my experience here in the US, the term "pet" is about as absent of racial implications as a noun can be. It's used in the context of people to denote someone who has the favor of whomever is in the supervisory role.

No one has even come close to making his African heritage a talking point. That's a good thing, and it speaks to the fact that there is at least one thing in professional soccer we Amis seem to have gotten more right than our Euro counterparts.
 
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Poku was actually discovered by Claudio Reyna, thanks to his friend Eric Wynalda.

Our one fantastic move last year was because of Reyna, not Kreis. Kreis was responsible for Velasquez, Calle, Mendoza, Mena, Grabavoy, Wingert, Jacobsen, Kwame, Brovsky. Reyna is on the hook for Nemec, Poku and Facey.

Don't forget that Claudio ran the US Youth Program. He has a very good nose for youth talent. So when people here ask what his role is - his role is to do what FC Dallas have done, but utilizing the resources of CFG in doing it. Consider it FC Dallas on steroids. That's his assignment. He will always have a longer leash because that is a 10 year project. And frankly, outside of Tab Ramos, I don't know if there is a more qualified person in the USA for that job.
 

[Posted this elsewhere, but this may be the better spot] It would be interesting to know/see how Poku's strengths fit into the style of play and methodologies PV will preach and promote. Leaving aside whether there were any other issues influencing JK's view of Poku, Poku's style of facing goal and barreling forward doesn't fit well with JK's marriage to possession, safe-touch, etc, soccer (as stubborn as JK's tendencies may have been). Anyone have any insight into how they think PV would/could utilize Poku in a way that fits the PV (MC) style of play? The great thing about PV, as compared to JK, is that he could work with Poku to adapt to a system, rather than simply conclude he doesn't fit into one.
 
Why Always Ste said:
PV won't be anywhere near player acquisition. Yes he'll have some say but as far as negotiations go and knowing about how MLS works, this is not his role.
The same applies with many successful clubs.
There will be a large amount of Scouts/Suit Types/Coaches all around PV advising him and yes he may be given "options" but he won't have free reign like you may have playing FIFA videogames.

PV is predominantly a coach and as such will coach what is given to him. He'll have options on who to coach and choose accordingly, but like I said he won't have free reign.

People on here were getting excited about Capello and comparing him with PV but have failed to overlook the fact Capello has actually managed Vieira at two clubs... Inter and Juve.
Vieira has played under the likes of Roberto Mancini, and to top it all off arguably the best footballing coach in the whole game (Arsene Wenger)

You don't just walk around blindfolded and not picking up/learning anything when most days for however many years you're working under these men.

I find it somewhat funny how deluded many seem to be about the level of MLS and unaware of the equivalent leagues.
To put MLS in comparison, it's probably at the level of League One in my country (England), which is two leagues below our top league.

Put Walsall/Wigan/Gillingham in the MLS right now and they would give your top teams a good battle.
It's not just about names/individuals, it's about the team and plenty of MLS teams would have their asses kicked in League One.

PV was offered the job at Newcastle, an English Premier League club which currently have Steve McClaren as their manager, a guy who has been the assistant to Alex Ferguson and managed England National Team (not that this is good by the way hahaha)

And PV turned down Newcastle as he felt he could achieve better.

NYCFC aren't just a feeder club for my team (city) believe me, we already loan out Academy players to clubs throughout europe, in leagues much stronger than MLS.
When we loaned the likes of Angelino to you, we were doing you a favour as he would get in most (if not all) English Championship clubs and quite a few English Premier League clubs (based on style of play)

I'm not saying PV will be a success, but to say he'll be shit because he has no experience in the MLS as a coach is daft.

You can spend £400m as a manager on players and still look shit (MUFC) and Hiddink.
It's not just the case of throwing money at players, it's also a case of acquiring the right players for the right system implemented by the right coach....

Jurgen Klopp at Dortmund being an example where he didn't spend alot, didn't have the biggest budget in the Bundesliga, but managed to play a style of football which encouraged/developed players to overcome the likes of Bayern Munich (the top dog) and win the league twice.

I'm not saying PV will be better than Klopp but who know's?
Klopp might be a Flop at Liverpool.
This is the beauty of the game - you never know.

I know who i'd rather play under and be coached by.... Vieira any day of the week.
And he isn't just some CFG "shill"
What a wainkstain of a comment, the guy has been in football all of his life, he doesn't need to be a shill for anyone.
He could walk away from football right now and sit on his ass with his World Cup Medal around his neck.
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Good post. I'll take exception to only your point that MLS is League 1. That just isn't true. It may be true about our team, but I'd like to encourage you to watch some of the other clubs.

I'll add that a league to league comparison is difficult. The reason being that you have EPL or even Champions League caliber players mixed in with players who largely fall into the League 1/Championship/lower EPL caliber. It's just hard to say. You have a Tim Ream who wasn't a real standout in MLS, and he goes on to be POTY for his championship club for multiple years. You have guys like Shea who shit it up over there, but do (or did) pretty well here.

All in all, it's an interesting, but pointless comparison. And we don't have an answer. I mean, what metrics would we even use? You could take a club made up of the best players in MLS and be competitive at the very highest level. That's just not true of any other second or third division or many first divisions in the world. On a club by club basis, you have some that would challenge for Championship promotion and would possible look better quality in the EPL. You have others who would be clear relegation candidates (so basically, League 1 level).

Anyway, like I said, pointless to try it, but interesting exercise. I find it best to just watch MLS because I like MLS and watch the EPL because I like the EPL. Just focus on whether you are entertained by the game in front of you. Might I suggest watching FC Dallas and Portland matchup in the Western Conference finals. I suspect you'll enjoy that.
 
Why Always Ste said:
PV won't be anywhere near player acquisition. Yes he'll have some say but as far as negotiations go and knowing about how MLS works, this is not his role.
The same applies with many successful clubs.
There will be a large amount of Scouts/Suit Types/Coaches all around PV advising him and yes he may be given "options" but he won't have free reign like you may have playing FIFA videogames.

PV is predominantly a coach and as such will coach what is given to him. He'll have options on who to coach and choose accordingly, but like I said he won't have free reign.

People on here were getting excited about Capello and comparing him with PV but have failed to overlook the fact Capello has actually managed Vieira at two clubs... Inter and Juve.
Vieira has played under the likes of Roberto Mancini, and to top it all off arguably the best footballing coach in the whole game (Arsene Wenger)

You don't just walk around blindfolded and not picking up/learning anything when most days for however many years you're working under these men.

I find it somewhat funny how deluded many seem to be about the level of MLS and unaware of the equivalent leagues.
To put MLS in comparison, it's probably at the level of League One in my country (England), which is two leagues below our top league.

Put Walsall/Wigan/Gillingham in the MLS right now and they would give your top teams a good battle.
It's not just about names/individuals, it's about the team and plenty of MLS teams would have their asses kicked in League One.

PV was offered the job at Newcastle, an English Premier League club which currently have Steve McClaren as their manager, a guy who has been the assistant to Alex Ferguson and managed England National Team (not that this is good by the way hahaha)

And PV turned down Newcastle as he felt he could achieve better.

NYCFC aren't just a feeder club for my team (city) believe me, we already loan out Academy players to clubs throughout europe, in leagues much stronger than MLS.
When we loaned the likes of Angelino to you, we were doing you a favour as he would get in most (if not all) English Championship clubs and quite a few English Premier League clubs (based on style of play)

I'm not saying PV will be a success, but to say he'll be shit because he has no experience in the MLS as a coach is daft.

You can spend £400m as a manager on players and still look shit (MUFC) and Hiddink.
It's not just the case of throwing money at players, it's also a case of acquiring the right players for the right system implemented by the right coach....

Jurgen Klopp at Dortmund being an example where he didn't spend alot, didn't have the biggest budget in the Bundesliga, but managed to play a style of football which encouraged/developed players to overcome the likes of Bayern Munich (the top dog) and win the league twice.

I'm not saying PV will be better than Klopp but who know's?
Klopp might be a Flop at Liverpool.
This is the beauty of the game - you never know.

I know who i'd rather play under and be coached by.... Vieira any day of the week.
And he isn't just some CFG "shill"
What a wainkstain of a comment, the guy has been in football all of his life, he doesn't need to be a shill for anyone.
He could walk away from football right now and sit on his ass with his World Cup Medal around his neck.
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i would never imagine agreeing with lords across the pond against my fellow Americans, but some of the fans here have too much "confidence", shall we say, in MLS and how unique it is... blah blah blah. After all, we are a 2.5 world country trying to become a first world soccer nation hopefully one day. we need to be humble and absorb and learn the best from Europe. Even if a PV or Capello or Ancelotti fails at NYCFC of any other MLS clubs in terms of results, we will have been better off by learning from their coaching and grooming. Speaking of long-term vision, having top European coaches and players here are for the long-term good regardless of the results they bring -- it's not a short-term strategy.
 
Midas Mulligan said:
Good post. I'll take exception to only your point that MLS is League 1. That just isn't true. It may be true about our team, but I'd like to encourage you to watch some of the other clubs.

I'll add that a league to league comparison is difficult. The reason being that you have EPL or even Champions League caliber players mixed in with players who largely fall into the League 1/Championship/lower EPL caliber. It's just hard to say. You have a Tim Ream who wasn't a real standout in MLS, and he goes on to be POTY for his championship club for multiple years. You have guys like Shea who shit it up over there, but do (or did) pretty well here.

All in all, it's an interesting, but pointless comparison. And we don't have an answer. I mean, what metrics would we even use? You could take a club made up of the best players in MLS and be competitive at the very highest level. That's just not true of any other second or third division or many first divisions in the world. On a club by club basis, you have some that would challenge for Championship promotion and would possible look better quality in the EPL. You have others who would be clear relegation candidates (so basically, League 1 level).

Anyway, like I said, pointless to try it, but interesting exercise. I find it best to just watch MLS because I like MLS and watch the EPL because I like the EPL. Just focus on whether you are entertained by the game in front of you. Might I suggest watching FC Dallas and Portland matchup in the Western Conference finals. I suspect you'll enjoy that.
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I will say this. I would rather watch MLS game over any other league because simply I am vested in this league with my favorite team playing in this league. To me, I couldn't care less about any other team in other leagues thus the lack of interest in those leagues. Not to say I don't watch other soccer. I do and I LOVE watching other leagues, but that is because I LOVE THE SPORT so much. I watch EPL every weekend, I watched Real Madrid get crushed by Sevilla yesterday. It was great soccer but I was more excited to watch Columbus vs Montreal, and then Seattle vs FC Dallas.
 
Am I crazy but the more and more I watch Patrick V. and the more I think about him leading our team, the more I think this is a homerun (no pun) intended. I mean PATRICK VIERIA IS COACHING/MANAGING OUR TEAM. I would have never thought this was possible a couple of years ago. I can't wait until next season!!!!!!! omg and its Nov 10, wtf am I going to do???????
 
Tom in Fairfield CT said:
Don't think you can just slip it in there that you use Bing. We all noticed, just embarrassed for you.
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