Patrick Vieira Appointed As NYCFC Coach

The more I read about this hire on this thread and others the better I think this choice is. One of our biggest challenges is that MLS requires time to win. You need home growns. You can't just sign talent with money. You need patience and an extremely strong youth system.

So what did we just do? We bypassed years of doing homegrown development by signing a coach who can pluck extremely talented 18-21 year old players at the drop of a hat. (And for cheap.)

How many days until March?
 
11Pokus said:
Farm team choruses growing louder..
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Who cares what other fans think. They dont like us as it is. And when you think about it, who really is the farm team here? NYCFC is taking players that can help us here in MLS from man cities u21. Last I checked NYCFC never sent any players to man city and chances are this will never happen.

As another poster stated. We get some of the top young players in man city, by-passing the fact that we dont have a full blown academy that can help us at this time. If anything, all of the other mls teams are farm teams because usually their best young players go overseas while we get some of the best young players from overseas coming to us.

Again, who cares what non nycfc fans think. They hate us from the get go and want us to lose every game. Once this club starts to dominate year in and year out, revenge will be sweet. Starting with the energy drinks.
 
FootyLovin said:
The more I read about this hire on this thread and others the better I think this choice is. One of our biggest challenges is that MLS requires time to win. You need home growns. You can't just sign talent with money. You need patience and an extremely strong youth system.

So what did we just do? We bypassed years of doing homegrown development by signing a coach who can pluck extremely talented 18-21 year old players at the drop of a hat. (And for cheap.)

How many days until March?
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A few months ago, probably late summer, I expressed doubts about the club's ability to improve in the short term. It was not because of bad management but there seemed few avenues to acquire better players, what with a college draft that produces few players, the cap, and we have few assets who would get much back in trades. While early reports of our Dev system are positive, it's years away from producing players.
Some good folk duly tried to answer my worries, but without much effect.
This, however, is different. This could work, even if I'm taking a Show Me approach.
We're limited to 4 MC loans, correct?
 
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Eh. I'd like a more seasoned guy. I've never watched any of his teams play...as with a majority of you. It's hard to judge him on talent being with one of the worlds biggest teams. So we'll continue to get young MC players that need playing time and they'll go back. Speaking of...some of his guys were just here and didn't exactly set the world on fire. We now have an appointed coach (whatever the hell that means) that will leave within 2 or 3 years. I'd like to build something here. If we are gonna be a bunch of puppets for puppet master CFG then we'll never be a winning team. Yes I sound negative but anyone who thinks the moves they make don't benefit CFG & MCFC before us is being naive. He was basically hired to run development & scouting in America. I kinda feel dirty, like what's worse...this or being run by an energy drink.
 
mgarbowski said:
A few months ago, probably late summer, I expressed doubts about the club's ability to improve in the short term it was not because of bad management but there seemed few avenues to acquire better players, what with a college draft that produces few players, the cap, and we have few assets who would get much back in trades. While early reports of our Dev system are positive, it's years away from producing players.
Some good folk duly tried to answer my worries, but without much effect.
This, however, is different. This could work, even if I'm taking a Show Me approach.
We're limited to 4 MC loans, correct?
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Yes, Four MCFC loans total. The kicker is that since we are affiliated with MCFC, we have to absorb the entire contract salary as opposed to the usual Loan terms between non-affiliated clubs (Home club pays x-amount, Loaner club pays the rest). So we have to choose players that have a low salary on the books at MCFC so that we can maximize the cap hit by older more experience players that we have as part of our permanent team. I guess MCFC could renegotiate their salaries before loaning them and add on a tail-end bonus.... anything's possible for accountants.

That's why the Calle loan was so pathetic.... not only was he a crap player, but he also cost a ton to the books. Better to get some really talented youth at 60-120K rather than a 200K perpetual loaned player (He never stuck at his home club, after 3 years there, he spent the next 4 years at three different clubs).
 
Did you know Jason Kreis was responsible for Superstorm Sandy?

The Donald Trump episode of Saturday Night Live?

Pitching Matt Harvey in the ninth inning of Game 5 of the World Series?

The original finale episode of Seinfeld?
 
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That was a Kreis signing.
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Yep, spent 3 weeks scouting players in South America.... and Calle was the best we found (along with Mendoza). Makes sense when one realizes they went to a bunch of countries with absolutely no soccer culture - Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, Colombia and Ecuador.
 
Feel neutral about the new coach. Pluses for Vieira are that he has experience with developing young talent and was the reserve team and Elite Development squad manager for MC. As a talented midfielder his vision in the midfield which I felt NYCFC lacked and what needs to change and I hope that translates to developing a successful competitive new team:NYCFC.
The only caveat I see is that he comes from the Manchester City group. The same group that screw us up with the Lampardgate. Is that good or bad? Can he be an independent coach or cave under the CFG pressure time will only tell.
Welcome Patrick, I am fan and admirer of the French National team especially 1998 WC Champs. France National team at the moment is also like our American team struggling to rebuilt with out the veteran talent.
 
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whill4 said:
A little MLS history lesson

At the and of the 2012 season Chivas USA fired Robin Fraser. After a couple of interim coaches they then brought in Jose Luis Real. Who was the coach of their mother ship in Mexico.

He was fired later that year after finishing dead last.
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If you still think NYCFC is another Chivas USA you really haven't been paying attention to how the management team works.
 
whill4 said:
100%. Kreis was one of the favorites to replace Bob Bradley before Jurgen was hired. He's been penned as a future USMNT coach for awhile now.

No. Teams can only spend up to the cap. Sure there are some teams that are spending below that. But all the top teams are pretty much there. So at best, all we can do is match them in spending. Not bank roll the league like MCFC does.

And it really doesn't matter how much you can spend on DP's when you're signing guys like Lampard. It's not like we are going to drop 100 million a season on Messi.
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Your view on MLS is static. have you thought of the possibility that MLS rules/restrictions will evolve/change over the time to accommodate richer teams to bring more market appeal to enrich the whole league? I am not saying that will definitely happen. But at least it is a possibility only richer owners can push such agenda, maybe in the process forcing less wealthy owners out. As a soccer fan, i don't mind having a stupid owners who will spend hundreds of millions. If every club get into the arm race (after a wave of rich owners sweeping into the league), all of us are better off. I don't think the current austerity rule can bring this league to the next level. We need to attract the big money into this game (and possibly tolerate the filth that comes with it). You need to have a vision for the future prosperity instead of being stuck on the old stoic austerity we have to adapt due to reality. Let the big money roll and rule!
 
FootyLovin said:
I agree with "huge difference" but not with your conclusions. Capello has risk as well. Long pedigree but recent failures (or at least underperformances). Also business risk with a playing style geared toward 0-0 ties and the occasional 1-0 win. Also organizational risk. Vieira knows and is bought into the CFG system.

I'm not saying Vieira=Capello. I just think you are undervaluing the risk of Capello and overvaluing the risk of Vieira who presumably CFG has watched coach for years and can reasonably predict how he will perform. Can't always predict wins and losses, but should certainly be able to predict activity. That's a huge risk to mitigate. Not to mention probably a MUCH lower price tag and again presumably the blessing of the DPs.
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Don't listen to the awful English press. He failed with by far the biggest failures in world football. And then with a mediocre Russian team. Neither should put a damper on his world class resume

Like I said, there is risk with whoever you're hiring. But you can't tell me there is as much risk regarding Capello as there is with Viera who only got his coaching job at MCFC because of his last name.
 
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