Stadium Discussion

[KevinJRogers]

I wouldn't read too into the part about CFG taking over from the Yankees.

What Cary Goodman is really getting at, is he wants a Neighborhood Ownership Plan that allows the local community to "own stock" in the stadium. (https://www.gothamgazette.com/opini...ments-with-neighborhood-stock-ownership-plans)

This was a new article from Goodman this morning (https://www.gothamgazette.com/130-opinion/11072-bronx-soccer-stadium-mayor-adams-nycfc). He's really making the rounds.

He also recently announced his retirement from the BID, but still seems quite active in all this. So not sure what the future of the BID brings and what, if any, role Goodman will continue to play.

My security software blocked the Neighborhood Ownership Plan article, but I was able to read the one from today. Not terribly well-written but I get his point.

It's a non-starter. All other considerations aside, Major League Soccer actually owns the team. CFG and the Yankees are "investor-operators" (essentially, franchisees). I don't know the exact details of Goodman's proposal, but there is no conceivable way MLS will just hand over a stake in a team to a non-investor group. Or sell a stake to anyone for less than current market value. The other investor groups would have a fit.

That's not to say the actual stadium plan shouldn't be community-oriented. I'm all for it, and Goodman has a point when he says he doesn't want some skeevy pleasure palace going up. But if the 161st St. BID is serious, they need to acknowledge the financial interests involved.

[For the record, I still think we're getting nowhere until CFG bigfoots the Yankees and says, "make it happen."]

 

[SoupInNYC]

My security software blocked the Neighborhood Ownership Plan article, but I was able to read the one from today. Not terribly well-written but I get his point.

It's a non-starter. All other considerations aside, Major League Soccer actually owns the team. CFG and the Yankees are "investor-operators" (essentially, franchisees). I don't know the exact details of Goodman's proposal, but there is no conceivable way MLS will just hand over a stake in a team to a non-investor group. Or sell a stake to anyone for less than current market value. The other investor groups would have a fit.

That's not to say the actual stadium plan shouldn't be community-oriented. I'm all for it, and Goodman has a point when he says he doesn't want some skeevy pleasure palace going up. But if the 161st St. BID is serious, they need to acknowledge the financial interests involved.

[For the record, I still think we're getting nowhere until CFG bigfoots the Yankees and says, "make it happen."]

To clarify a technicality, he's not suggesting they hand over a stake in the team, but a stake in the stadium.

I do like the creative thought of trying to create some kind of "ownership" for the local community, but I really don't see how his plan would effectively work. All that really needs to happen, is good, open dialogue between the club/developers and local community to ensure that the stadium development would result in benefits to the local community and not another Yankee Stadium situation.

 

[KevinJRogers]

To clarify a technicality, he's not suggesting they hand over a stake in the team, but a stake in the stadium.

I do like the creative thought of trying to create some kind of "ownership" for the local community, but I really don't see how his plan would effectively work. All that really needs to happen, is good, open dialogue between the club/developers and local community to ensure that the stadium development would result in benefits to the local community and not another Yankee Stadium situation.

Agreed. And truth be told, I thought that's where we were last summer when the CB4 vote was scheduled. It looked for all the world like they had the rubber stamp out and were ready to go. And then poof.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: it's getting really, really hard to not conclude the Yankees just don't want to see us get our own stadium.

 

[mgarbowski]

This comes from a forum devoted to Disney and the guy who wrote it is a Revs fan. @SoupInNYC’s reputation is unlimited.

 

[Amon]

Agreed. And truth be told, I thought that's where we were last summer when the CB4 vote was scheduled. It looked for all the world like they had the rubber stamp out and were ready to go. And then poof.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: it's getting really, really hard to not conclude the Yankees just don't want to see us get our own stadium.

The Yankees don’t want NYCFC to get a stadium because the double bank on it. They get rent money and also make money from team revenue. Of course they’d do everything to sabotage us getting a stadium.

 

[Gotham Gator]

To clarify a technicality, he's not suggesting they hand over a stake in the team, but a stake in the stadium.

I do like the creative thought of trying to create some kind of "ownership" for the local community, but I really don't see how his plan would effectively work. All that really needs to happen, is good, open dialogue between the club/developers and local community to ensure that the stadium development would result in benefits to the local community and not another Yankee Stadium situation.

It's difficult to know whether his request for "ownership" means they want some input into how the stadium is operated and used or whether he wants to line his own pockets.

 

[KevinJRogers]

The Yankees don’t want NYCFC to get a stadium because the double bank on it. They get rent money and also make money from team revenue. Of course they’d do everything to sabotage us getting a stadium.

That's certainly the way it looks: we're a useful tenant in their eyes, some additional revenue and not much more. Pretty short-sighted, in my opinion. But there it is.

We need to get away from them.

 

[LionNYC]

This feels like a step backwards, going to a few different locations.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1496912965311815691

 

[JayH]

This feels like a step backwards, going to a few different locations.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1496912965311815691

"Few" is an interesting reference. What do we think are in play beyond the obvi two?

 

[Fantazma]

This feels like a step backwards, going to a few different locations.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1496912965311815691

i think its the same as that interview with glen crooks. he mentioned "few new spots" and not having all "eggs in one basket" if anything not much has changed since. i mean they put all effort in the bronx and look at it now, its stuck no movement or progress in near future it seems.

 

[LionNYC]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1496928400006533142

 

[moogoo]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1496928400006533142

typical exec speak. but hopefully by the end of this year, we'll have something more concrete.

 

[FredMertz]

Let's have a contest -- who can find the single worst location with enough room in the 4 boroughs excluding SI.

Beat this:

 

[mgarbowski]

Let's have a contest -- who can find the single worst location with enough room in the 4 boroughs excluding SI.

I might suggest Hart Island, mostly for what is already there.

 

[Joe_Cos]

When Sims means a few different locations, the team is going to build the stadium on a barge. The stadium willl move borough to borough. NYC, BX, Queens and Brookly will have four home games each and SI gets 1.

 

[ZYanksRule]

Personally, I think he's just posturing and trying to get the Bronx location back up and in play again. Trying to put pressure on that location by claiming to have multiple other locations.

 

[LionNYC]

Let's have a contest -- who can find the single worst location with enough room in the 4 boroughs excluding SI.

Beat this:


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As an FYI, we need 10-12 acres

 

[FredMertz]

As an FYI, we need 10-12 acres

My island, so useless that it doesn't even have a name, is well over 200 acres.

 

[moogoo]

My island, so useless that it doesn't even have a name, is well over 200 acres.

it's unavailable though because it's part of the national park/wild life refuge

 

[FredMertz]

it's unavailable though because it's part of the national park/wild life refuge