Stadium Discussion

Tom in Fairfield CT said:
Sounds pretty racist
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Yes. Saying that the mayor of NYC (who personally gave millions upon millions of his own dollars to help run this city) was unlikely to be subsidizing the business activities of of someone who controls an $800b fortune is racist. If it was Bill Gates, I, and surely Bloomberg, would have been all for it.
 
D_RoyJenkins said:
Limited? Wasn't there strong opposition to the idea of a soccer stadium being built there?
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I think the opposition was mostly about taking parkland. If they found a non parkland site in the flushing area I think that would be different
 
Kjbert said:
The opposition was from the Wilpons, who own the Mets.
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I think there was opposition coming from two different corners. The Mets/Wilpons:
The Mets have proved a thorny opponent for the Abu Dhabi investors. The team argued against the notion of someone’s not only gaining access to their parking lots, but also using the space for a competing purpose. The Mets demanded compensation, and they wanted to keep all the parking revenue from the lots (which are city owned) and restrict the right of the soccer team from playing games within hours of the start or finish of a baseball game.
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Bloomberg said "reasonable people can work this out." But there was also community opposition:
Many soccer fans in Queens say they favor a stadium, but they do not want to lose access to the public fields that they use. Alfonso Vargas, the president of Allfut, a soccer alliance that comprises 14 leagues, 400 teams and about 5,000 players who compete at the park, said he supported the proposal as long as the local soccer leagues would be accommodated. [...] Parks groups seemed more alarmed. Though the park is listed as having nearly 900 acres, the actual amount of land devoted to public recreation there is far smaller, when land used by the U.S.T.A., the Mets, the M.T.A. and the Queens Museum is subtracted.
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I think the latter, in addition to the lukewarm response from elected officials, whose support would be necessary to win over the "half a dozen community boards, the city planning commission, the City Council, and potentially state and federal agencies" necessary for approval, is what resulted in the plan being shelved. NYT:Soccer Club Sets Its Sights On the Bronx For a Stadium (8/30/2013), A Team Is Born, but Not All Cheer (5/22/2013), A Stadium In Queens Is No Walk In the Park (5/22/2013), M.L.S. Promotes Stadium at a Town Hall Meeting (12/6/2012). Crains NY: Yankees shock Queens with soccer switch (5/21/2013), In the Boroughs: Biz eyes kick from soccer (9/16/2012).

Also, this might have been posted earlier, but this MLS to Queens FAQ is the most detailed description of the Queens proposal I have seen.
 
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Kjbert said:
I wonder how much of this is Jewish backlash against a Muslim ownership group. This is a nice case study in NYC politics for you Mancs.
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Wow. You are some sick racist bastard. Sorry to have you supporting my team. Speechless...
 
adam said:
Wow. You are some sick racist bastard. Sorry to have you supporting my team. Speechless...
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You are obviously unfamiliar with NYC politics.

What's racist about what I said? You do realize that Judaism and Islam are religions, correct? They are not races.

As an aside, there is a guy I work with - Spurs fan, nice guy. Huge USMNT guy, huge MLS supporter, but no team.

I asked him to attend opening day with me. Refuses to participate because, in his words, the ownership group doesn't want to acknowledge his right to exist.
 
I thought the "Jewish backlash against Muslim owners" comment a bit odd as well. The public and political oppostition to MLS in Queens pre-dated the involvement of Manchester City as the owner of NY2, as it was called then, and it was focused on misappropriation of park lands in the best interests of the public. As for the Bronx initiative, Bloomberg was supportive of the NYCFC Bronx initiative and he is Jewish. When the Bronx deal was mentioned in the papers, much of the opposition focused on sweetheart tax deals for an opulently rich ownership group. The other opposition was locally in the Bronx as they weren't convinced that the New Yankee Stadium deal was managed well. The "Jewish backlash" has been negligible in my opinion.
 
Kjbert said:
You are obviously unfamiliar with NYC politics.
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I'm not going to give you any more responses for being the racist troll you are. But I'll just lay out some obvious facts so that the record is set straight for everyone else who reads this:

The mayor in charge who tried to get NYCFC a stadium: Michael Bloomberg - a Jew
The mayor in charge that has been giving NYCFC a hard time on a stadium: Bill DiBlasio - Not a Jew
The board member of MCFC and who's in charge of finding a new stadium for NYCFC: Marty Edelstein - a Jew

It just so happens by chance (since they represent such a small % of society) that I could easily ist 2 prominent Jews that tried or are trying very hard to get a stadium deal done. And the major political roadblock I listed? He's not Jewish.

By writing this, I in no way am stating or conjecturing that any motives by any of these people are religiously or racially backed. But it disproves your Jewish theory quite succinctly. Now go away to wherever racist trolls go to.
 
adam said:
I'm not going to give you any more responses for being the racist troll you are. But I'll just lay out some obvious facts so that the record is set straight for everyone else who reads this:

The mayor in charge who tried to get NYCFC a stadium: Michael Bloomberg - a Jew
The mayor in charge that has been giving NYCFC a hard time on a stadium: Bill DiBlasio - Not a Jew
The board member of MCFC and who's in charge of finding a new stadium for NYCFC: Marty Edelstein - a Jew

It just so happens by chance (since they represent such a small % of society) that I could easily ist 2 prominent Jews that tried or are trying very hard to get a stadium deal done. And the major political roadblock I listed? He's not Jewish.

By writing this, I in no way am stating or conjecturing that any motives by any of these people are religiously or racially backed. But it disproves your Jewish theory quite succinctly. Now go away to wherever racist trolls go to.
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I didn't realize Judaism and Islam were races. I must have missed that day in school.

I asked a simple, honest question. No theory. Just a question. Apparently, that set you off. I'm sorry you feel that way.

My question still stands though. There is an uneasy sentiment in this region with Muslims and Muslim owned entities. It can be ignored, but shouldn't.
 
on a separate note more related to the stadium topic, I read recently that the Kingsbridge Armory Ice Center deal is in trouble due to infighting with the ownership group. They still have not broken ground. It's right along side the IRT but no Metro North access nor parking, so probably not viable.
 
Goodfella said:
on a separate note more related to the stadium topic, I read recently that the Kingsbridge Armory Ice Center deal is in trouble due to infighting with the ownership group. They still have not broken ground. It's right along side the IRT but no Metro North access nor parking, so probably not viable.
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Is this the Mark Messier hockey rink deal?
 
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