That also means we wouldn't be able to get permission to build a stadium there until next year, right?
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Yes - but the zoning approvals would take longer anyway, so that would be a while no matter what.
Same shit I've been saying here. Food is an abomination. If you want to charge me $10, fine, but at least make it good food, etc.
So I thoroughly enjoyed crunching NJRB earlier today but seeing a game there once again makes me want a stadium. Red Bull Arena is *small* (in a good way, I mean). I was way up in the corner of the 200 level and still felt close to the action, so it'd probably be great to be on the centerline in the 200s, which is sort of were my seats are in Yankee Stadium. So here's where my seats are:
Not bad, eh? Well, here's RBA to scale, superimposed so the field is in roughly the same place ours is:
As you can see, my not-all-that-bad seats at Yankee Stadium are not even in the building at RBA.
Conclusion:
I want a stadium.
Not bad, eh? Well, here's RBA to scale, superimposed so the field is in roughly the same place ours is:
As you can see, my not-all-that-bad seats at Yankee Stadium are not even in the building at RBA.
Conclusion:
I want a stadium.
On the bright side since your seats aren't inside the stadium at least it means you're not in jersey.So I thoroughly enjoyed crunching NJRB earlier today but seeing a game there once again makes me want a stadium. Red Bull Arena is *small* (in a good way, I mean). I was way up in the corner of the 200 level and still felt close to the action, so it'd probably be great to be on the centerline in the 200s, which is sort of were my seats are in Yankee Stadium. So here's where my seats are:
Not bad, eh? Well, here's RBA to scale, superimposed so the field is in roughly the same place ours is:
As you can see, my not-all-that-bad seats at Yankee Stadium are not even in the building at RBA.
Conclusion:
I want a stadium.
Ohhhhh maaaaannnnnnnnnnn, that was awful.On the bright side since your seats aren't inside the stadium at least it means you're not in jersey.
Well done!
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So I thoroughly enjoyed crunching NJRB earlier today but seeing a game there once again makes me want a stadium. Red Bull Arena is *small* (in a good way, I mean). I was way up in the corner of the 200 level and still felt close to the action, so it'd probably be great to be on the centerline in the 200s, which is sort of were my seats are in Yankee Stadium. So here's where my seats are:
Not bad, eh? Well, here's RBA to scale, superimposed so the field is in roughly the same place ours is:
As you can see, my not-all-that-bad seats at Yankee Stadium are not even in the building at RBA.
Conclusion:
I want a stadium.
nycfc deserve to play in a stadium of that calibre
Corruption and self-dealing among Bronx politicians, non-profits, and local business is the least surprising story in the world. Good to see it exposed so thoroughly though. The only complaint I have with the article is the apparent faith it has in the more local non-profits not to engage in the same sort of self-dealing for the benefit of their own cronies.
Per MG's sig, "We are why we cannot have nice things." This is exactly the kind of thing that's going to come up, over and over, when NYCFC puts another plan on the table. Disappointing and yet so predictable
The headline here stinks, because it implies the Yankees are behind the shenanigans. In reality, it's the local politicians who are running the charity. The Yankees want nothing to do with it (other than providing the agreed upon funding).
What this really does demonstrate is that even the Yankees had to pay off local politicians in order to get their stadium built, because that's exactly what this is - a fancy way to funnel money to local pols.
What this really does demonstrate is that even the Yankees had to pay off local politicians in order to get their stadium built, because that's exactly what this is - a fancy way to funnel money to local pols.
I disagree. I think the Yankees bear clear responsibility here, and it's letting them off too easy to argue, as they do, that they provide funds and nothing more and therefore shouldn't be held responsible.
(1) The Yankees set the thing up in the first place. The governance structure (a clear slush fund from the get-go!) was in their control at the time. (2) It was set up in order to close the deal on YS. (3) It's got the Yankees' name on it. (4) The charity delivers its annual reports to the Yankees and only the Yankees—implying Yankees control (or at least a watchdog function), and positioning the Yankees as the only party with sufficient information to hold the charity accountable.
And I think, Gator, that you're trying to have it both ways. (Respectfully; I'm not trying to internet-fight, here.) On the one hand, you say it's unfair to imply that the Yankees "are behind the shenanigans." On the other hand, you say they "had to pay off local pols." So we agree that they knew exactly what they were doing. However they're trying to spin it (pretty weak spin, too, if you ask me), the upshot is the same: They promised community benefits as a selling point for getting neighborhood buy-in, but then they structured the charity in such a way that they knew it wouldn't deliver. That puts them "behind the shenanigans" by any layperson's read of the situation. Even if you argue that the nature of the thing at the time escaped them (which is frankly unbelievable), their subsequent sole receipt of annual reports and refusal to either release that information or act on it puts the blame on them.
One way or another, it's clear that they sold the neighborhood a bill of goods, made promises they knew at the time they weren't going to keep. That's going to matter when NYCFC tries to make similar promises in pursuit of the SSS.
If you think any of this is being done without the express or implicit direction of the local pols, you're likely wrong. The article says the Bronx delegation chose the administrator of the fund. That pretty much sums it up.
Very innovative. Put the stadium in storage on off days and make the site parkland every other day!
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Is that track oblong at like 20m wide by 180m long??? It's like the Circus Maximus in RomeDid I miss a post or five about this location? Unfortunately it looks like the available space is a little too small for what we'd need. It also looks like the neighborhood is pretty residential for something like a stadium. It's too bad the sports stuff for the schools are on the other side of the school buildings. If we could take out the sports fields and give them use of some of the stadium complex it might be able to get squeezed in.
